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1 | Isn't Jesus Christ the True Isael to who | John 15:1 | Ray | 14548 | ||
Hi KINDNESS, You have expressed some good thoughts and I appreciate your personal growth and praise of God. I see where you are coming from as far as the location of worship is concerned for John 4:20. I wanted to get back to it for there was more of interest for this discussion of the vine or Vine. I think we have agreed that Jacob is not the true Vine even with his name change to Israel. He is the same Jacob, hopefully changed after his struggle with the Angel, just as we are part of the new "Israel" when we accept the promises of God in faith. But we're just part of the body of Christ; we are branches and Jesus is the true Vine. It is when we capitalize Vine (at least in our minds) that we can know the Deity of Christ and can compare it to John 4:23, "But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth;..." I wanted to go back to John 4:20 to look at it differently than you did. I suggest that you look at the "you" or "ye" of the KJ and the "we worship what we know" of the NASB, and the "We worship what We know" of the NKJ and see if we can, as you have written, "focus on the one true living God and Father of all who are born of God." The King James does not have a "people" or "Jews" in its copy. It is in italics for the NASB and NKJ showing that it is not in the Greek. Thus, I would capitalize the You and the We worship what We know, or even make it "I worship what I know". Do you see where I am coming from as far as seeing the true Vine? Your Romans 12 reference is a good one for comparison with John 4:20. The "You people say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship" would relate well with Romans 12:5, "so we, who are many,*are one body in Christ*, and individually members one with another." I would love to talk with you about John 17:17 and the "truth" and also John 8:30 concerning knowing the "Truth" . But I think that these other things should be on a different posting so that others can enter in easier. May I suggest that you compose another posting so that you can get more of the thoughts of others on the forum. Lets stay with Israel and the Vine here. Later, Ray |
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2 | Who is the we in John4:20 | John 15:1 | KINDNESS | 14634 | ||
John 4:20 Who is the "we"? Is it the Jews? Is it the Trinity? I believe it must be the jews in contrast with the Samaritans since Jesus was making a distintsion between them concerning worship. | ||||||
3 | Who is the we in John4:20 | John 15:1 | Sandman | 14654 | ||
Dear Kindness, I couldn't find a "we" in any translation, and I'm going to proceed based on the assumption that the "we" you had in mind refers to the "you Jews" contained in the entire verse: "Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem." If that's what you meant, then yes you are correct, the woman referred to the contrast between the Jews and the Samaritans. The woman's point was that the cultural literacy of the Jews and the Samaritans was different when it came to where one should worship. The Samaritans had worshipped on a mountain, the Jews had done so in Jerusalem. And more than make a distinction between the two ethnic groups, Jesus pointed out that the location of worship is not as important as the attitude of the worshipper. He says we ought to worship in spirit and in truth. Sandman |
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4 | Who is the we in John4:20 | John 15:1 | KINDNESS | 14655 | ||
Great! I am sorry that I gave the wrong referance. The verse I wanted to know about is John 4:22 "You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews." Could you give me insight on that verse please? I agree with you about attitude being the point of what Jesus is getting at. I think Rom.12:1,2 goes well with the worship theme don't you think? Kindness | ||||||
5 | Who is the we in John4:20 | John 15:1 | Sandman | 14673 | ||
Kindness, I agree with you about Romans 12:1,2. "The greatest sermon we ever preach should be the lives we live." In John 4:22, Jesus refers to himself and his culture as "we." This is not a reference to the Trinity. Important background information for these verses is that Samaritans and Jews often stereotypically grouped one another by their culture. Just as the woman grouped Jesus and his culture together in verse 20 by saying "you Jews," Jesus responds to her by using the same "stereotype," if you will. Jesus' only purpose for saying "WE do not know what we worship" was to show that the culture she had associated Jesus with (the Jews) was confused about worship. Jesus does not imply that any part of the Trinity (which includes himself) is confused about worship. This is further emphasized in the last part of verse 22: "for salvation is from the Jews." If taken literally, one might incorrectly deduce that the Jews can bring forth salvation, or that salvation is for the Jews only. But the true meaning of the verse is this: since the Samaritan woman had grouped Jesus with the Jewish culture, Jesus responded by pointing out that "your salvation can only come from a man who is part of this Jewish culture." And, in verse 26, Jesus would point out that the man from such a culture was himself. Sandman |
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6 | Who is the we in John4:20 | John 15:1 | KINDNESS | 14694 | ||
Greetings Sandman, I do believe you misquoted John 4:22. Doesn't it read "you worship what you do not know"? Not We etc. I do agree with you about the salvation part refering to Jesus who was a Jew/ Savior/ Lamb who takes away the sins of the world not just the Jews. Thanks for your participation. It is encouraging to know that there are believers out there that enjoy a good sword drill. Smile. Kindness | ||||||
7 | Who is the we in John4:20 | John 15:1 | Sandman | 14758 | ||
Dear Kindness, "You Samaritans worship what you do not know, we worhsip what we do not know, for salvation is from the Jews." John 4:22 (NIV) My "we" refers to the "we worship what we do not know." Sandman |
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8 | Who is the we in John4:20 | John 15:1 | 1032 Bentoak Ln. | 14805 | ||
Dear Sandman, How can that be? Which Bible are you using? | ||||||
9 | Who is the we in John4:20 | John 15:1 | Sandman | 14981 | ||
John 4:22 (NIV) "You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews." Look it up here: http://bible.gospelcom.net Sandman |
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