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1 | Whose baptism? | John 13:6 | ATJ | 37560 | ||
This is a very good question. Many people don't understand the differnce between the Old and the New Testament. Salvation was given in the New Teatament only. I will go into detail about the Old and New Testament later. Now lets examine I Sam. together. Read Heb. 9:28 ( So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation). Read Heb 10:1-7 ( For the law having a shadow of good things to come and not the very image of the things, can Never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers therunto PERFECT. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshipers once purged should have had NO MORE CONSCIENCE OF SINS. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith Sacrifice and Offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for Sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me to do thy will, O God). Now I ask you can a person be in sin and have the Holy Ghost at the same time? Paul says in Rom 6:1,2, "What shall we say then, can we CONTINUE IN SIN that grace may abound. GOD FORBID. How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein". Once a person has recieve the Holy Spirit then they no longer continually live in sin. Neither do they offer burnt sacrifices for their sin because Christ was the real sacrice. Now in I Sam. 13:9 it states,"and Saul said, Bring hither a burnt offering to me,and peace offerings, And he offered the burnt offering". Why would Saul need to sacrifice offering if he had the Holy Ghost? Could he have had the Holy Ghost and still lived in sin? The Apostle Paul says that God forbids it. Other words God said NO. Burnt offering and dead sacrifices are for sin. Saul was not baptized of the Spirit because he was not dead to sin. Read Rom 6:3-7. Would a person dead to sin offer dead sacrices? Let go to see what Jesus says about this. Pay clos attention to the correlation of these two. St John 3:5 (Jesus answered, Truely, truely, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God). John 3:6 ( That which is born of flesh is flesh; and that which is born of Spirit is spirit). John 3:7 (Marvel not that I said to you, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN). Now the question is what is the Kingdom of God. According to Luke 17:20,21, the Kingdom of God is within you. This is the Holy Spirit. Being born of the spirit means simple to be born again. Being born again means that a change has happened. After repenting and prayer of God to save us, the Holy Spirit take the evil inside of a person and burns them up, this how the Holy Ghost cleans us with fire. Christ then crucifies our old spirit and creates a new spirit. This new spirit is of love and will not sin against God Read I John 3:9. After this the Holy Spirit dwell within us with our new spirit and gives us strenght as we learn. With man this is impossible but with God all thing are possible. This process happens in the twinkling of eye because God does not do things in parts or incomplete. The Holy Spirit does not dwell in unclean temples or people. Now Saul had not reveive the gift of the Holy Spirit but rather the Spirit overcame him temperarily because he had not been born again. Every Old Testament scipture was inspired by God. Just as the Holy Spirit overcame Saul, He overcame the writters in the Old Testament. Look at the patriach King David, how could he have the Holy Ghost but yet have many wives and even killed a man and took his wife. Would not the Holy Ghost had told him other wise. Surely he was sorrowful afterwards but he still kept many wives. Can a man receive the Holy Ghost by any other baptism than Jesus. Unto what baptism was Saul in I Sam. baptized. If Jesus had not yet come could he been baptized unto Christ. John the baptist said unto the Pharisees the he baptized with water only, but Jesus would baptize with fire. This is the fire from the Holy Ghost Read St John 1:33. When Christ comes back for the Church and cries out with the trump of the Angel, the Holy Spirit is the one who is going to hear the voice of the Lord and He is the one who going wake us up. Andrew Jr. write back if you have any questions or comments. |
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2 | Whose baptism? | John 13:6 | Love Fountain | 38005 | ||
Dear Andrew Jr., Thank you for your response. Regarding your referrence to 1Sam 13:9, Saul took it upon himself to offer unto God, for guidance on what he should do not as a sacrifice. Saul's offence came in disobedience to the word of God, the word which came through Samuel in 1Sam 10:8, where Samuel told Samuel to goto Gilgal and wait for Samuel for 7 days. Saul did not wait, but panicked when he saw the Hebrews leave him and he was exposed to the Phillistine army. Sauls offence was disobedience to Gods word through his lack of faith in waiting for an appointed time. As I stated above Saul was seeking guidance not forgiveness. People everyday who have been baptized or born from above by the Holy Spirit have doubts and lapses in their faith through thoughts of doubt alone, can we then conclude that they are not truly born from above because of lapses in faith? You state,"Saul was not baptized of the Spirit because he was not dead to sin." I have always believed to be dead to sin meant that you no longer choose to sin but still sin unconsciously, therefore we are all sinners even still as believers. Also, you state,"Being born again means that a change has happened." Please slowly read the following, 1 Sam 10:9 9 And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day. KJV A change happened to Saul, God gave him another heart according to the above verse. Then you state,"Now Saul had not reveive the gift of the Holy Spirit but rather the Spirit overcame him temperarily because he had not been born again." I would contend that Saul indeed was born from above(again). In 1Pet 1:23, we are told that we are born again by the word of God as follows, 1 Peter 1:23 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. KJV Saul was shown the word of God by Samuel in 1Sam 9:27 which preceeded the Spirit of God coming upon him in 1Sam 10:10. This did not happen, except but by the word of God and by the word of God alone does it ever happen. Every single baptism in the Bible is always preceeded and brought on by the written or spoken word of God. Not one baptism can be found in the Scriptures without the word of God. Then you state,"This process happens in the twinkling of eye because God does not do things in parts or incomplete." This process does not happen in the twinkling of an eye. The words," in a twinkling of an eye", are only used in the Bible in 1COr 15:52, to let us know that some people will change into a spiritual body from a flesh body at the last trump and is not in reference to baptism. Finally you state,"John the baptist said unto the Pharisees the he baptized with water only, but Jesus would baptize with fire." To this I ask is their a difference between water and fire? Are they not both the word? Jer 5:14 14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them. KJV Jer 23:29 29 Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces? KJV Prov 13:14 14 The law of the wise is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death. KJV Eph 5:26-27 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. KJV Bless you, Love Fountain Eph 2:8 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: KJV Rom 10:17 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. KJV |
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3 | Whose baptism? | John 13:6 | ATJ | 38638 | ||
Dear Love Fountain Saul sent burnt offering unto God. Do Saints of today send burnt offering? Saints send a sacrifice to God but it is a living sacrifice. God wants us to sacrifice ourselves by living rightous. Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore brethren, by the mercies of God, the you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. Now if we can present our bodies a living sacrifice, why did Saul offer burnt offering. The reason still because Jesus had not died and resurrected. The reason I say this is because of St. John 7:39. St John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) Now the word of God that you speak of is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is that spoken word that existed in the beggining. It was not revealed to man in the Old Testament. John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you ALL things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Love, Andrew Jr. |
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4 | Whose baptism? | John 13:6 | Love Fountain | 39138 | ||
Dear Andrew Jr., Thank you for the response, but I am wondering if you remember the subject that we were talking about? I thought we were talking about the Spirit of God coming to Saul, which was preceeded by the word of God? Not once have I contended if we are to offer sacrifices to God now in this age and day on this thread. Jesus fulfilled the law of the priesthood in becoming the high priest and I understand this means that the ordinances of the priesthood are no longer in effect. I am not sure why you keep bringing this up? In Sauls time sacrificial offerings were still in existance and in my last post to you I stated that Saul did not offer for forgiveness as you stated but he offered for guidance because he lost faith waiting for Samuels return. You now state,"Now the word of God that you speak of is Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is that spoken word that existed in the beggining. It was not revealed to man in the Old Testament." Are you saying the spoken word of God was not revealed to men in the Old Testament? Please explain what you mean by the above statement, I am confused by what you believe. Bless you, Love Fountain John 17:5-8 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. 6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. 7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee. 8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me KJV |
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5 | Whose baptism? | John 13:6 | ATJ | 39418 | ||
Dear Love Fountain, The subject is could Saul in ISam. have been born of the water and the Spirit. The reason that I bring up the offerings and sacrifices is because I am trying to show you a pattern. Before Jesus came, no one could be born again. Why? Because Jesus had not paid the debt of sin yet. If Saul was offerings burnt offerings for what ever reason, this automatically tells you there is sin in him. Being born of the Holy Spirit means that Christ has killed the old man and created a man inside of us. This new man is created in the express image and likeness of God. God also burns the evil sin that was once in us. Where was the sin in us? The sin was in our heart and mind. This is why God put his law in our mind and heart. This is the reason why a man mind has to be renewed. Then the Holy Spirit dwells in that man and gives him strength. The more he learns spiritually the more he grows. The more he grows the strength he has. This is the only way a man can live right. If Saul was born of water and Spirit, How come he could live holy. In the Old Testament the fullness of the God head was not yet revealed. Can you show me anywhere in the Old Testament where the author writes that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God? The people knew that a Savior was coming but they didn't know that God was coming himself. This is why the Israelites reject Jesus today because he confesses to be the Christ. Now in John 17:5-8, This is Jesus speaking himself. Andrew jr. |
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6 | Whose baptism? | John 13:6 | Love Fountain | 39447 | ||
Dear Andrew Jr., Thank you for the response. In 1Sam 10:9, God gave Saul another heart as follows, 1 Sam 10:9 9 And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day. KJV The Hebrew word for heart in 1Sam 10:9 is leb and is used figuratively for the intellect or the mind as follows, OT:3820 leb (labe); a form of OT:3824; the heart; also used (figuratively) very widely for the feelings, the will and even the intellect; likewise for the centre of anything: God gave Saul a new heart via the Spirit of God in 1Sam 10:10 which came from the word of God Samuel showed to Saul in 1Sam 9:27. The Spirit of God is always preceeded by the Word of God, whether in the New Testament or the Old Testament. What I am understanding from what you are saying is the you believe a person born from above is without sin and is therefore no longer a sinner, is this right? You ask,"The people knew that a Savior was coming but they didn't know that God was coming himself." How about Isa 7:14 as follows, Isa 7:14 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. KJV Immanuel in Hebrew is OT:6005 Immanuw'el (im-maw-noo-ale'); from OT:5973 and OT:410 with a pronominal suffix inserted; with us (is) God; Immanuel, a type name of Isaiah's son: KJV - Immanuel. Immanuel plainly stated means God with us. It is clear that those who read Scripture with understanding in the Old Testament times would have clearly known that God was coming Himself as the Messiah. Please reconsider your statement that they didn't know God was coming Himself. Saul was born from the womb of woman(water) and born from above by the Spirit of God which gave him a new heart. But you are telling me Saul was not born from above. Please explain the new heart he received and the Spirit of God that came on him if this is not true? Bless you, Love Fountain |
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