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1 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92645 | ||
A side question for you, Curtman: Sometimes these two words are interchangeable in scripture but, in your estimation, is there a difference between being 'saved' and being 'redeemed'? A second question I might ask is what relationship does being "born again" have to do with both/either these words? Can either stand independent of the experience of the INDWELLING? If not, why not? |
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2 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | TheCurtMan | 92830 | ||
Sometimes these two words are interchangeable in scripture but, in your estimation, is there a difference between being 'saved' and being 'redeemed'? A second question I might ask is what relationship does being "born again" have to do with both/either these words? Can either stand independent of the experience of the INDWELLING? If not, why not? OK, I wanted to take a second look at what I believe, to ensure that I wasn’t too far off base scripturally. I know I’ll probably be crucified for what I believe, but then so was Jesus. In my estimation, being SAVED, and being REDEEMED is generally one in the same. I was purchased with the blood of the Lamb. The debt that I owe God wasn’t just cancelled, but PAID-N-FULL. I have escaped the eternal damnation that I truly deserve, For the wages of sin is death, and For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God. I deserve death, but it ain’t happening here. Now I believe that being BORN AGAIN entails the principles of Eph. 4:22-24. That ye put off, concerning the former conversation, the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lust 23 And be RENEWED IN THE SPIRIT OF YOUR MIND 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. That is, being born again entails a totally different perspective FORM doing things the world’s way TO doing things God’s way. If you haven’t noticed, there is a VERY BIG DIFFERENCE. Can either stand independent of the experience of the indwelling. If I understand your question correctly, you’re asking if these things can happen without the Holy Ghost, not even close. It is the Holy Spirit that points me in the right direction, even before I know I want to go that way. It is through the Spirit that gives me the choice to either accept or reject Christ. Without the Spirit, I probably wouldn’t even care about doing things God’s way. Take a look at Eph. 4:23, what do that mean to you in reference to your question. So what do you think?? The CurtMan |
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3 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92844 | ||
"OK, I wanted to take a second look at what I believe, to ensure that I wasn’t too far off base scripturally. I know I’ll probably be crucified for what I believe, but then so was Jesus. In my estimation, being SAVED, and being REDEEMED is generally one in the same." Ok. [and I'll probably be crucified for this but here goes] Good reading of the scripture says that I am saved and I'm being saved. What does that mean except I'm enjoying a present spiritual condition of my state of being but yet as Paul states in Hebrews 4:4-6 (NASB) For He has thus said somewhere concerning the seventh day, "And God RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL His works"; [5] and again in this passage, "They shall not enter My rest." [6] Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of DISOBEDIENCE,... [May I suggest you read the whole chapter..] There reamains a "salvation" for us who are not disobedient. Am I wrong here? So I think we can safely say that we saved to be saved unto a [certain] perfection fully realized at the seeing of Jesus. Think some of us will have regrets? Ok. Many came to Jesus for healing/wholeness and received it. No Holy Ghost drawing power here. That's the way it was. Even today the word says whosoever will. This I believe for redemption for those opportuned to hear the gospel preached. Question: Will all choose to follow Christ? Here is where I believe the Holy Spirits "pull" on someone happens and regrets are made for those who, for whatever reasons, disobey. |
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4 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | TheCurtMan | 92956 | ||
No Sal, I’m not going to crucify you for your beliefs. As a matter of fact, I see no problem with what you’re saying. However, I do need a little time to meditate on it and pray about it. We both agree that not all will be saved. But for all who will be saved will have to work out their salvation. What I mean by that is, now that I have been saved, I must act like it. I have bad habits that need to be broken. I must study the word more; witness more; pray more; and continue to strive to be more like Jesus who was perfect. I will achieve that state of perfection, but I do not believe that I will achieve it on this side of life, but in the life after life. Until then, I must continue to strive for that goal, to be like Jesus. All this is as I said before, the result of being saved. :Please do not think that I’m terminating this line of communication on this issue. I’m not. I just need to give some consideration to this one particular point. I really think that you’re going somewhere with this, and I’d like to be around when you finally get there. The CurtMan |
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