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1 | Blasphemy against Holy Spirit | Mark 3:30 | Norrie | 118990 | ||
I was just reading about this same topic on another forum. Accd to them, the greatest blasphemy is for a Christian to turn back away from Christ. I'd think if you did that, that would be the ultimate sin. Here's their discussion: -I have always believed, that a Jew or Gentile that is truly "born-again" and receives the Holy Spirit, is saved for eternity, but there does seem to be this exception. Once a Christian we all will continue to sin and struggle against the evil one, but Jesus hears our prayers and we have that armour of the Holy Spirit. If a true "falling away" from the faith occurs, it could be the one "unpardonable sin" since this behaviour would truly blashpheme the Holy Spirit. The scary thing is that these people will be lost forever based on the following doctrine, which makes sense since the Bible says nothing about being continually "reborn" over and over, and it wouldn 't since it would mock Jesus. It is hard to comprehend this as a Christian. I believe you can only be "born-again" once, which means the second death could come for those few that indeed "fall away". Very sad. Hebrews 6 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Luke 8 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. 13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. 14 And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. 15 But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. Brett Foster...Author - Prophecy Central www.prophecy-central.net - 564.4 in reply to 564.3 "If a true "falling away" from the faith occurs, it could be the one "unpardonable sin" since this behaviour would truly blashpheme the Holy Spirit. The scary thing is that these people will be lost forever based on the following doctrine, which makes sense since the Bible says nothing about being continually "reborn" over and over, and it wouldn 't since it would mock Jesus. It is hard to comprehend this as a Christian. I believe you can only be "born-again" once, which means the second death could come for those few that indeed "fall away". Very sad. " Why would someone want to go back under the law is beyond me. It is pride. Brother Brett, it is so hard to just accept Christ alone. Judah |
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2 | Blasphemy against Holy Spirit | Mark 3:30 | Hank | 118999 | ||
Norrie: It's nice to "see" you again. I wrote a response to your post earlier, which was far and away superior to this one :-), but it flew out into cyber space and never landed on the pages of this Forum. .... Thanks for sharing the post you gleaned from another forum. The only thing wrong with it is that it's wrong! When we extrapolate on Scripture, trying to make it say what it in fact does not say, as the author of the post you quote apparently has done, we invariably run into all sorts of theological blunders and dead-ends. Jesus' teaching on the unpardonable sin is clearly given in Matthew 12:22-32 and Mark 3:20-30. I've never been quite able to understand why there has been such an aura of mystery about the nature of this particular sin or why it should give rise to so many wild and speculative interpretations. The thing that prompted Jesus' teaching was the Pharisees' contention that He was acting by the power of Satan, when His supernatural power was, in fact, a manifestation of the Holy Spirit in Him. Therefore, the fatal sin is the denial of the Holy Spirit's testimony to Jesus as Savior and Lord. The ultimate result of this is rejection of the Son of God. Jesus' teaching on the unpardonable sin is not synonymous with the teaching in Hebrews 6:4-6, as the author of your quote implies. Nor does it prove the doctrine of the perseverence of the saints and neither does it disprove it, as the author of the post you quoted seems to be attempting to show. It is so much better to listen carefully to what Scripture is speaking before making up our minds than to make up our minds and expect Scripture to agree with our conclusions! --Hank | ||||||
3 | Blasphemy against Holy Spirit | Mark 3:30 | Norrie | 119002 | ||
Hi Hank, I guess I should post your response to those guys and really get them going. :) Too bad ya'll can't all get together and thrash that out. :) If you want a link, let me know. :) |
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4 | Blasphemy against Holy Spirit | Mark 3:30 | Hank | 119011 | ||
Norrie, thanks for the offer of the link to the other forum, but one link of sausage from this forum's grinder is about all I can handle and do a poor job handling that! Blessings, Norrie. --Hank | ||||||
5 | Blasphemy against Holy Spirit | Mark 3:30 | Norrie | 119055 | ||
Here's what Brett said-don't you love this double foruming: Norrie, I am not dogmatic about my interpretation, but I think Hank's scriptures quotes back up my point. If Hank is right, then I'm right. How can you blaspheme something you don't have or even understand? When you accept Jesus, He gives you the Holy Spirit for comfort and to be "taught all things". This would imply spiritual ignorance for those without the Holy Spirit. Why would any "non-believer" speak against "blaspheme" the Holy Spirit? To what end...for what purpose? Makes no sense. The non-believer is quite good at cursing God or saying J.C. at the drop of a hat...all forgivable. Have you EVER heard ANYONE in your life speak against the Holy Spirit? Of course not. That is because I believe it is an ACT...the one described in Hebrews 6:4. Whether or not Hank is right, or we're both right, is moot if we are believers. There is however a good 3rd possibility when you look up the meaning of blasphemy. It could also apply to those who exalt themselves as or above God...see #1b SYLLABICATION: blas·phe·my NOUN: Inflected forms: pl. blas·phe·mies 1a. A contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing concerning God or a sacred entity. b. The act of claiming for oneself the attributes and rights of God. 2. An irreverent or impious act, attitude, or utterance in regard to something considered inviolable or sacrosanct. Hank implies I have made up my mind and I'm finding scripture to back it up...on the contrary. I believe all 3 views mentioned have scriptural merit. Now look at Hanks verse Matt 12:31-32...then mine Hebrews 6:4-6. Notice there is NO repentance or forgiveness in both verses. They are a perfect fit! Matthew 12 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Hebrews 6 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. And there you have it...accepted Christ...fell away...condemned to hell...CANNOT repent...obviously will never be forgiven.....UNFORGIVABLE SIN!!!!! I am openminded, but I believe my interpetation has scripural merit. |
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6 | Blasphemy against Holy Spirit | Mark 3:30 | Ray | 119067 | ||
Hi Norrie, You have compared Heb 6 and Matthew 12 and describe them as a perfect fit. I would not say that it is a perfect fit, but certainly a comparison that shows contrast. Here are the verses that I would match up in a contrast. Hebrew 6:5, NASB, "and have tasted the good word of **God and the powers of the age to come,..." Matthew 12:36, NASB, "And **I say to you, that every careless [Or, useless] word that men shall speak, they shall render account for it in the day of judgment." Here we have the good, holy word of God contrasted with the careless, useless word of a blasphemer. 1) The Pharisees said in their thoughts that this fellow, this man, cast out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons. They said that "He has an unclean spirit." That is a careless, useless word to say. It is a falsehood. Here we have the contrast between an unclean spirit and a holy spirit. The Pharisee said that He has an unclean spirit. Mark 3:30, "because they were saying, "**He has an unclean spirit." Matthew 12:36, "And **I say to you, that every careless word that men shall speak, they shall render account for it in the day of judgment." 2) Jesus cast out demons by the finger (or spirit) of God. Matthew 12:28 and Luke 11:20. Matthew 12:30, "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven men, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven." From the heart, Ray 2) |
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