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1 | How do you "share the Gospel?" | Matt 28:18 | Ken hepting | 100256 | ||
Hi Hank!....Yes I understand your question. Lets consider a few things for purpose of learning, growing and understanding and not just for debate and the need to protect some previously held handed down opinion from someone who embraced something 1200 yrs old from someone who didn't have it all together either. As the father says to his child, "I may not be right but I'm never wrong." I realize that's not the case here, my friend. Lets look and gain and not lose, ok? #1. The commission.... Matthew 4:23 (KJV) And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. Matthew 9:35 (KJV) And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people. Matthew 24:14 (KJV) And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Mark 1:14 (KJV) Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, Luke 16:16 (KJV) The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Notice this verse:..Matthew 28:19 (KJV) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: It says "teach". It doesn't anywhere say 'get people saved'. But teach what? Salvation? The other verses say it is to teach the gospel of the kingdom of God. How can this be when people aren't saved?.. Only the saved will hear. But that's what I'm beginning to see, Hank, only the saved will hear. i.e., those who 'hunger and thirst after righteous, they will be filled" with a 'saving Grace'. With those, when Jesus is explained, they accept the account of what He did. Disciples are to proclaim Christ and let the Holy Ghost do the convicting that leads to one's salvation. Those that don't hear and accept the message bring damnation to themselves. The assumption here, that I see, is that everyone is saved to begin with and don't realize Jesus did it. I liken it to: [assume a man who is blameless in God's sight] If I'm given a million dollars and don't know that I have it I'm broke. If no one ever tells me in my life that I have a million dollars, I will remain broke all my life but in reality [behind the scene] I'm rich though I never knew! If I die, I die a rich man! Now someone comes along and tells me I am rich; I have a million dollars and it's in a certain bank account. Now what do I do? What would you do? Go and investigate or call him a liar? This stranger makes one previso. He's tells me I must claim the million before I die or die without it; a poor man. Now lets see who is being sent [with credibility] to proclaim the "Good News" about Christ and His invitation to follow Him. [The million dollars, if you will] Jesus spoke this to His "disciples"...not new born babes. He made friends out of servants. Friends love God per the 'great commandment'. [Re-read John 15-17 several times. Ponder what Jesus says carefully.] This was my beginning at an understanding of the "pearl of great price" and the "treasure in the field". When I saw it it got up close and real personal. I saw this .... Matthew 11:12 (NASB-U) "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force. In other words, one must get angry with himself, his yo-yo Christian walk, and get on with becoming a friend of Jesus; Someone He can trust; Someone desirous of the meat of His word [Himself] and not milk any longer. The Beatitudes, at this point, become the constitution and bylaws because one is now stepping into the kingdom of God and that's what they are in there and it's only in there that they can be made effective. Ok, so we have determined it was disciples He was speaking to and these disciple were His friends; they came through the tough times and now understood the issues and what He came to do. He gives THEM the great commission. After all is said and done he tells disciples to go, tell, teach and make. Acts 2 was very necessary for that was the the receiving of the power to function; To do.. Read Acts 1. Then also 1 Corth 14. |
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2 | A couple of questions | Matt 28:18 | Mommapbs | 100280 | ||
A couple of questions on your post Ken! You wrote: "Only the saved will hear . . . those who 'hunger and thirst after righteousness, they will be filled' with a 'saving Grace'. With those, when Jesus is explained, they accept the account of what He did. " Do they hunger and thirst first or do they have to be told that they are hungry and thirsty? Also, you wrote: "everyone is saved to begin with and don't realize Jesus did it." Please support this statement with Scripture. mommapbs |
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3 | A couple of questions | Matt 28:18 | Ken hepting | 100287 | ||
What else did I say that you understand so that we don't go off on a "rabbit run"? 2 Thes. 2:12 (KJV) That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. So what damns a person after he's been told the truth about salvation that is his? |
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4 | A couple of questions | Matt 28:18 | Mommapbs | 100329 | ||
Ken, a "rabbit run"???? I just asked you to clarify your post. I do not follow how the Scripture you provided tells me that "all are saved". Romans 1 says much the same thing as 1 Thess 2:12. Romans 3 reminds us that no one seeks God and ALL have sinned. The penalty for sin is death (damned?)Romans 6:23 IN ADAM, all die but IN CHRIST - all are made alive (1 Cor 15:22)and if we are made alive IN CHRIST, we must have been dead in our sins first.(Eph 2:1) ALL are dead in their sins but not ALL are IN CHRIST. Jesus told us plainly, you MUST be born again. This is ALL of God's doing; He baptizes us INTO CHRIST upon our confession of faith. I do not see how we "all are saved" apart from a personal choice. Because of Christ's propitiation for sin, all CAN be saved,(1 John 2:2) but as you have reminded us from God's Word - not all will chose Him. mommapbs PS: "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us." 2 Thess 2:15 |
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5 | A couple of questions | Matt 28:18 | Ken hepting | 100339 | ||
[I do not follow how the Scripture you provided tells me that "all are saved".] Refusal of the message brings damnation, isn't that correct? Suppose one lives a blameless life without the written law to guide him or the knowledge of Jesus who saves him, what do you think his punishment should be? [Romans 1 says much the same thing as 1 Thess 2:12. Romans 3 reminds us that no one seeks God and ALL have sinned. The penalty for sin is death (damned?)Romans 6:23 IN ADAM, all die but IN CHRIST - all are made alive (1 Cor 15:22)and if we are made alive IN CHRIST, we must have been dead in our sins first.(Eph 2:1)] Are you alive in Christ? What are doing about it that you're not experiencing what He says you should be, i.e., Abundant life? If you, a professing Christian, claiming to be alive in Him, aren't experiencing "abundant life" do you think there might a problem somewhere? You should be already experiencing that without someone to tell you. If I come and tell you about it, you have a choice to make, don't you? You say "born again" to be saved yet many have died [maybe billions] without ever hearing His name who lived blameless lives, what about them? [ALL are dead in their sins but not ALL are IN CHRIST.] Christ didn't come to just save those "in Him" who hear the gospel and receive it. He came and saved all men who died in their sin [from Adam] who lived a righteousness as best they knew how given they had nothing to go by. He places them also in Himself. Remember where there is no law sin [the penalty for being born in it] is NOT imputed. [Jesus told us plainly, you MUST be born again. This is ALL of God's doing; He baptizes us INTO CHRIST upon our confession of faith.] I believe it is the Holy Spirit who baptizes us into Christ. [I do not see how we "all are saved" apart from a personal choice. Because of Christ's propitiation for sin, all CAN be saved,(1 John 2:2) but as you have reminded us from God's Word - not all will chose Him.] I can't agree more....But if they never hear the word....And if when they do, accept it WE are to make disciples of them....not gettum saved... the assumption should be that they already are so when we go in it should be to confirm what God has, maybe for years, been doing in their hearts. This is why having the mind of God is so important. That's why Pentecost happened. If they reject the gospel we preach...Too bad. I hope I'm clear on this mommapbs |
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6 | Scriptural support of your position? | Matt 28:18 | Mommapbs | 100347 | ||
Ken, a disclaimer PLEASE! At the end of YOUR last post to me, you signed MY name! In light of what you have written, much of which I disagree, I would ask for a reposted rely with YOUR name attached. Thank you. You wrote: "Suppose one lives a blameless life without the written law to guide him or the knowledge of Jesus who saves him, what do you think his punishment should be?" First of all, NO ONE except Jesus CHrist has lived a blameless life. Again, God's Word tells us ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) - no one can measure up to God's Holy standard. What part of ALL do you not understand. Romans 1 tells us plainly that men are without excuse. I understand your angst over this with regard to the untold millions who have never heard the Gospel, but who are YOU to argue with what God has declared? You wrote: "many have died [maybe billions] without ever hearing His name who lived blameless lives, what about them?" Again ALL have sinned - no one but Jesus Christ is blameless; men are without excuse. You wrote: "Where there is no law sin [the penalty for being born in it] is NOT imputed." (Where does Scripture say this is so? pbs) You wrote: "if they never hear the word....And if when they do, accept it WE are to make disciples of them....not gettum saved... the assumption should be that they already are so" Already saved? WHERE do you find this in God's Word? Maybe I am reading a faulty translation but I am stuggling to find it anywhere! No, you are NOT clear on this. First you claim that there are those who are blameless and then you write that those who have never heard the Word are already saved. . . . Please support your beliefs with Scripture. In Christ, mommapbs |
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7 | Scriptural support of your position? | Matt 28:18 | Ken hepting | 100349 | ||
[First of all, NO ONE except Jesus CHrist has lived a blameless life] Job did. |
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8 | Scriptural support of your position? | Matt 28:18 | Mommapbs | 100361 | ||
Yes, intially God described him as "blameless" (Job 1:8) albeit, past tense - for at the end Job confessed his error! See Job 42:1-6 I apologize for misinterpreting blameless for sinless. mommapbs |
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9 | Scriptural support of your position? | Matt 28:18 | Ken hepting | 100364 | ||
That's ok. I've done the same stuff many times. | ||||||