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1 | WAS JESUS FORSAKEN BY HIS FATHER? | Matt 27:46 | EdB | 40927 | ||
ChickenWing First off all caps in internet terminology means your SHOUTING! God would never forsake any of us let alone His Son. We can turn from Him, but God so loves us He even reached out to us while we were still in sin. Jesus was repeating the first verse of Psalm 22 which was written 1000 years before. This Psalm describes in great detail the crucifixion of the Messiah, which Jesus was fulfilling before their very eyes. Jesus cried out in the common language of the day to insure everyone understood. He was doing this as yet another attempt to show he is the Son of God, the Messiah. Oh how He loved us to even call us to Him at the moment of his greatest anguish! EdB |
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2 | WAS JESUS FORSAKEN BY HIS FATHER? | Matt 27:46 | Scribe | 40932 | ||
Thanks EdB. You are preaching the truth. Jesus was not forsaken in the sense of God leaving Him, or the Father not able to accept Him. The Bible on numerous occasions stresses just how acceptable the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross was. So you cannot have an acceptable sacrifice and an unacceptable one at the same time. Also, if Christ had died spiritaully there would be no legal right to be the substitution for our spiritual death, he suffered in all points like us YET WITHOUT SIN, is the rest of that verse. If at any time he was found with sin He would not qualify to take our place for sin or to become sin for us, which is quite different than being guilty of commiting sin. This was most definetly a cry for all those to remember to read that Psalm which at the time was not Psalm 22. How did they identify a portion of Psalms then? By saying the opening verse maybe? It was as if Jesus was saying READ THE PSALM "MY GOD, MY GOD why hast thou forsaken men" and if they did, they would have seen the reference to the soldiers casting lots for his garment, the piercing of the hands and feet, the offering of the drink to quench his thirst, and much more. Now that being said, was the Prophecy of Psalm 22 speaking about God Forsaking the Messaih? And if so what does that mean. It is the same kind of cry David often wrote about when He was in anguish of soul and said such things as "how long God? Will you be angry . ... etc. We know that God does not forsake those that serve Him but at times of anguish of trial and tribulation many men of God and prophets have expressed such words. So often does this occur in the scripture that you soon get the idea that every saint will feel this way at some time. But God is still there and victory is just around the corner. Jesus is simply expressing the Human emotional pain He suffered on our behalf, and also quoting the Psalm 22 (howbeit Jesus probably continued in lower volume or whispers the whole psalm 22 in comfort to get Him through this greatest of all trials) If people will continually reference the OT in their study of the New Testament, they will find many truths that are much more solid than what they have always heard from other teachers that did not really understand. GBU all and may you study the Word Daily. |
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3 | WAS JESUS FORSAKEN BY HIS FATHER? | Matt 27:46 | Searcher56 | 41018 | ||
So did God forsake Him or not? If He didn't, why did Jesus say this? JUST fulfill Scripture? That would not make sense. God did forsake Him ... but, not as His Son. It was because He was bearing our sins at the time. It was like the lamb sent out to the wilderness. |
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4 | WAS JESUS FORSAKEN BY HIS FATHER? | Matt 27:46 | richilou | 41020 | ||
I think the answer is good and concise. The fact is to keep in mind that in theology, we call it the doctrine of substitution. That is to say that for a short period of time in eternity, God the Father saw His Son as the greatest sinner in all the human history in order to get salvation for all the elect. Now, He was the Son of God even though He was abandoned for a while. The issue is rather that as a Son He was abandoned for our salvation. | ||||||
5 | WAS JESUS FORSAKEN BY HIS FATHER? | Matt 27:46 | EdB | 41034 | ||
Why do we keep teaching God abandons sin? God called each and everyone of us out of sin. If God abandons sin there would be no hope. You sure the hope is Jesus but look at the Old Testament. Even while David was in sin God sent his man to David. Then there is Saul, Solomon, Abraham, and the list goes on. Gods promise in Deut. 31:6,8 and Joshua 1:5 was good then, it is good today and it was good at the time of the crucifixion. I will never leave nor forsake you. To me that is pretty clear cut. God never forsakes! If you can justify God forsaking Jesus, I would like to know how? |
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6 | WAS JESUS FORSAKEN BY HIS FATHER? | Matt 27:46 | richilou | 41070 | ||
Ok my dear friend. I think that an illustration will help you to understand the idea I had in mind in my previous note. One day Jesus said: "I am the door". Was He really a literal door to enter a house? Of course not. It was another way of saying: "I am the One through whom you will find the way of eternal life", right? When we say that Jesus has been forsaken by His Father it is in the sense that Jesus had no way out to escape the situation because it was the one planned by God from all eternity past. And this situation was the terrible fire of God expressing His holy wrath against sin. Keep in mind that He was bearing on His shoulders not so much an abandonement of God as such, but rather He was there to be punished for our sins. It is in that way that God was forsaking Him. Another important thing is this. If Jesus would have not been really forsaken, His cry to His Father would have become inconsistent with His real feeling and would have been in vain. By the way, it was not just a false feeling that He manifested in words, it was a reality that was happening in His body and mind. We can say what you referred to to prove that God never forsake when you said the words: "I will never leave you nor forsake you...". But here, watch out! The comparison with what God said in that last passage and the situation of the cross are not to be compared at all. The reality of what happened on the cross was the reality of what happened in the heart of Jesus as I said. He felt abandoned because He was, period; not because He was out of control of His words being in a state of suffering, even terribly. So it is in that sense that God forsake Jesus. We must understand the sense rather than trying to reason the words. | ||||||
7 | WAS JESUS FORSAKEN BY HIS FATHER? | Matt 27:46 | EdB | 41074 | ||
Richlou Then you believe the nails held Jesus to the cross? I believe nothing held Him to the cross but His love for us. He was God, He allowed Himself to be placed on that cross out of love for us. He died on the cross out of love for us. As I said before his cry was the cry of humanity within Him, His words were the love of God reaching out yet another time to reconcil His people. Why do you feel God had to separate Himself from Christ? Why do you think Jesus carring the sins of the world caused God to separate from Him. Give me a scripture. Then explain how God the Son was separated from God the Father. Then explain if God the Son could died both physically and spiritually (separation for God) how could He be eternal. EdB |
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8 | WAS JESUS FORSAKEN BY HIS FATHER? | Matt 27:46 | richilou | 41208 | ||
My brother, I think you misinterpreted what I meant when I wrote. It is often like that anyway among christians. Being a preacher and teacher of theology I know what I am talking about. Of course I do not believe Jesus was held by some poor nails He created Himself. All I can say is to tell you that you would have to study the doctrine of substitution more deeply. A good verse for that as a starting point could be Isa. 59.1-2. Immediately, I take care to warn you that you will say: "Wait a minute! The question here doesn't concern the separation of Jesus from God". On that point I would agree with you, but if you read the reason of the separation, you see that it is sin that causes it. Moreover, you know as myself that Jesus has been made sin for us (2 Cor. 5.21). In conclusion, you asked me to explain how Jesus could be separated from His Father being God Himself. Once again, if you look at it in that perspective, I agree with you. But the issue here is not that I believe in a split within the Godhead or His deity. It is rather a separation as a momentarily "being made sin for us" (2 Cor. 5.21). In fact, I think we believe the same thing. The problem is that you talk about it in a perspective and I talk about it in another. I will not come back with you on that. We are there to edify one another and all those who read us, not to undergo a dispute of words as Paul said. | ||||||
9 | WAS JESUS FORSAKEN BY HIS FATHER? | Matt 27:46 | EdB | 41267 | ||
Okay!!!! | ||||||