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1 | Who is Jesus? | Matt 24:28 | rosscamp@home.com | 23841 | ||
Dear Joe, you wrote: "Matthew 24...is not an essential element to the gospel of Christ Jesus." During the days of the appearance of His Holiness the Christ in the first century, lack of understanding of the fulfillment of the prophecy that 'Elijah must come first', as repeated by Jewish Priests, proved to be a stumbling block for them, preventing them from recognizing Him as the Messiah. Thus, the understanding of the Truth, that is, accurate understanding of that prophecy, namely that 'Elijah' had, in fact, already come in the person of John the immerser, proved to be an 'essential element' for those Priests, most of whom died without ever recognizing the Lord Christ as the promised Messiah. In the same manner, lack of accurate understanding of the fulfillment of any Prophetic Word which lack prevents an individual man or woman from recognizing the One who said: "Look! I am coming as a thief", during the time of His Prophetic "parousias" proves to be 'an essential element', missing from the faith for that man or woman, with the same final result which occurred to the unbelieving Priests at His appearance in the first century. It is not the first time that I have heard a Christian express the belief that certain Words of His Holiness the Christ are not "essential". It appears to be a common attitude. Cordially Ross |
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2 | Who is Jesus? | Matt 24:28 | EdB | 23846 | ||
Ross What are you trying to say about Matt 24. Jesus clearly said that his second coming would be like the lightning streaking across the sky everyone would see it. He then said just as a carcass in the desert attracts great flocks of birds (buzzard, eagles, vultures what have you)and thus making it easy to find, so would his second coming draw a crowd and everyone would know where he was at. His explanation completely closed the door to the idea of another prophet’s appearance before his spectacular and magnificent second coming. Thus we see the illogic of Bahi’a they say Jesus was a true prophet to be believed, yet they say he was wrong that other true prophets have come. Let’s talk about the Bab what did he do for you? Did he provide for your salvation? If so how? Did he die for you? If so how? Was he resurrected as a demonstration of His divine nature? If so when and where? Can you show any prophecy that shows the coming or calling of the Bab, other than the ones that clearly show him to be a false prophet? Can you show any heavenly declaration of the validity of his ministry? In fact do you have anything other that what he said about himself to show he was who he claimed to be? Before you come into the forum and try to convolute and distort scripture in an attempt to open doubt let’s examine what you have to offer. Show us what you got. EdB |
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3 | Who is Jesus? | Matt 24:28 | rosscamp@home.com | 23875 | ||
Dear Ed, you wrote: "Thus we see the illogic of Bahi’a they say Jesus was a true prophet to be believed, yet they say he was wrong that other true prophets have come." I don't believe I understand what you have said with that statement. Baha'is believe in all of Almighty God's true prophets. You also wrote: "His explanation completely closed the door to the idea of another prophet’s appearance before his spectacular and magnificent second coming." If we look closely at the Words of the Lord Christ recorded at Matthew chapter 17, verses 11 and 12 we discern a remarkable prophecy that 'Elijah' would come again in the future, and we also see that the Lord identified John the Immerser also as 'Elijah' who had already come. I'm sure you recall that He also identified John the immerser as a prophet. It is clear, therefore, that the 'Elijah' personage Whom He was at that moment prophesying to appear in the future would also be at least a prophet such as John the immerser. John was not the same individual who was the original Elijah. Nor would we expect the "Elijah' of the future to be either the same John the immerser, nor the same original Elijah. John came in the spirit and power of Elijah and fulfilled the role of the promised Elijah at the first appearance of the Lord Christ. The next appearance of 'Elijah' would correspondingly happen before His future appearance. God's thoughts are not men's thoughts. He views happenings with relation to His Holy Purpose differently than humans, and we need to strive to discern His explanations which He has prepared for us. Those explanations suit us. Likewise, concerning your questions related to His Holiness our Lord the Bab, we need to keep in mind that Almighty God's Holy Messengers complete their Missions in perfect conformity with His Plan and Will, and each Mission will have some similarities with an earlier one, yet will not be identical. The Gospel of His Holiness the Christ includes not only that which He did during His appearance in the first century, but also includes His prophecy and Promise to Establish His Kingdom on Earth so that God's will will take place "as in Heaven, also upion Earth". It is always a test for mankind that God's Holy Messengers never fulfill Holy Prophecy in the manner or according to the sequence and chronology which men and women on earth expect. All in the first century were expecting the Messiah to immediately push out the Romans and immediately set up His Kingdom on Earth. He suffered and died 'instead'. And now that the Institutions for the establishment of the Kingdom of God on Earth have actually been revealed to mankind,and the embryo of that Kingdom Administration has been delineated and is currently 'incubating', a billion Christians are instead expecting the Lord to arrive like literal lightening and 'rapture' them away to Heaven forever. The Mission of His Holiness the Bab is not identical to the Mission of His Holiness the Christ. God cannot receive a Revelation. He is "the All-Knowing, the Wise". The Lord Christ, long after His ascension, received a Revelation, "which God gave Him". (Rev. 1:1) Upon His reappearance on Earth, in the Person of His Holiness the Bab, He received another Revelation. His Holiness the Bab simultaneously fulfilled the prophetic return of Elijah, because He was the Herald of the One Who would bring to application the reality of all Holy Prophecy related to the Kingdom of God, as spoken by His Holiness the Christ. The Greek word 'astrape' of Matthew 24:27 is mistranslated "lightning" in all English translations of the Greek Scriptures of which I am aware and I possess more than two dozen different translations. That word is Stong's Greek word 796 and Strong supplies the alternate meaning "bright shining" from the root "glare". The Messianic Israelites, an intensely studious group of Christians discovered that fact and have cross referenced that word of Mat.24:27 to Revelation chapter 22:16 wher the Lord Ifdentifies Himself as that "Bright Shining" of Mat.24:27 by declaring: "I am the Bright Morning Star". The sun is the bright morning star, and the Lord certainly is not the literal sun. However the spiritual brightness of His appearance is like the sun. And that 'Sun' emerged in the East, and 'shone' to the West. Lightning doesn't do that . It is local, between two clouds or from the ground to a cloud etc. Eagles and vultures literally have telescopic vision. Thus they see a mouse on the ground although soaring high in the sky. John 6:50-63 very clearly identifies the corpse of Mat.24:28. Verse 63 says: "It is the spirit that is life-giving; the flesh is of no use at all." Verse 28 is spiritual. The "eagles" not only receive their spiritual food from the Corpse at the Appearance of that Corpse, but they also possess the keen spiritual vision to detect the Corpse. "Look! I am coming as a thief." (Rev.16:15) Cordially, Ross |
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4 | Who is Jesus? | Matt 24:28 | Morant61 | 23892 | ||
Greetings Ross! There are two problems with your reasoning! 1) Concerning the translation of 'astrape', it is a common mistake of cults to assume that words only have one meaning. Words can have several meanings depending upon how they are used, but based upon your reading of Strong's you claim that 'lighting' is a mistranslation. Consider the following passage from Josphus', "Antiquities of the Jews", book 2, chapter 16, 343: "As soon, therefore, as ever the whole Egyptian army was within it, the sea flowed to its own place, and came down with a torrect raised by storms of wind, and encompassed the Egyptians. Showers of rain also came down from the sky, and dreadful thunders and lightning, with flashes of fire. Thunderbolts aslo were darted upon them." Here, the word 'astrape' is used in the context of a storm. Thunder and "lightning" occur in a storm. The word 'lightning' in this passage is 'astrape.' Therefore, 'lightning' is an acceptable translation of the word 'astrape.' 2) The main problem with your post is that you ignore what the Bible says about Jesus. He is not simply a prophet. He is God. Consider the message of John 1: ****************************************** John is a Gospel. This is stating the obvious, but it is useful to remember why he was writing this book. His reason for writing was given in his own words, "But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." (John 20:31) Therefore, John is trying to convince his audience, both Jews and Gentiles, that Jesus is God and that He alone is the source of salvation. With this in mind, John opens his Gospel with a prologue (1:1-18) which appeals to the current thoughts and ideas of both Jews and Gentiles. Jews at this time had personified the "Word" of God to a new level of meaning - it was God’s creative power. Greeks had a philosophical concept of the "Word" as the creative, rational force from which all things spring. Thus, John creatively says things about Jesus (notice that he doesn’t tell us that the ‘Word’ is Jesus until v. 14) that would appeal to the religious and philosophical views of both Jews and Gentiles. William Temple describes John 1:1-14 in this way. The Logos, he says, "alike for Jew and Gentile represents the ruling fact of the universe, and represents that fact as the self-expression of God. The Jew will remember that ‘by the Word of the Lord were the heavens made’; the Greek will think of the rational principle of which all natural laws are particular expressions. Both will agree that this Logos is the starting point of all thing." However, John’s purpose is to take them beyond this point and demonstrate that Jesus Himself is both the ‘Logos’ and God. Thus, throughout John escalates the statements made about the Word. Each one revealing more about the true identity and nature of Jesus. 1) In the beginning was the Word - v. 1: The Word was eternally existent. He did not come into being at any particular point in time. He has always been. 2) The Word was with God - v. 1: Not only is the Word pre-existent, but the Word is in an intimate face to face relationship with God. 3) The Word was God - v. 1: Not only is the Word pre-existent, not only is the Word in an intimate face to face relationship with God, the Word is God. 4) The Word is the Creator of all things - v. 3. 5) The Word is the source of life and light for all men - v. 4. 6) The Word was not recognized by the World - v. 10. 7) The Word was not received by His own creation - v. 11. 8) The Word makes those who do receive Him Sons of God - vv. 12-13. 9) The Word is Jesus, God incarnate - v. 14. ********************************************* None of the above can be said of the Bab or any other prophet. The Bab was not eternal. The Bab did not create the world. Jesus was, is, and always will be God. Any religion which denies that essential truth of Scripture is false! In Christ, Tim Moran |
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