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1 | Rapture - Bodies or souls disappear? | Matt 24:27 | Makarios | 103791 | ||
Greetings BenK, So, in other words, you are a Post-Tribulationist? I really do not believe that we ought to argue about when the rapture occurs, but there are some problems with the post-trib view. Some problems with the Post-Trib view: 1. Who will populate the millennial kingdom in mortal bodies? (See Isaiah 65:20-23; Jeremiah 23:3-6; 30:19,20.) 2. Who are the participants in the judgment of the nations (Matthew 25:31-46)? 3. Another problem with the post-trib scenario lies with John 14:1-3. Also, with verses such as Romans 5:9, 1 Thess. 1:9,10; 5:9; 2 Peter 2:5-9, it seems even more unlikely that the post-trib scenario is that which is presented in the Bible concerning the end times. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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2 | Rapture - Bodies or souls disappear? | Matt 24:27 | BenK | 103806 | ||
Greetings back to you, Makarios. Thank you for your courteous response. I guess you can call me a post-tribber if you like, but, I prefer to call it a pre-wrath position. Neither do I believe that we should argue about when the rapture occurs, and I don't. In fact I have found that most pre-tribbers won't even talk to me about it. Thanks for including scripture references. I guess, with reference to 1. and 2. that I fail to see that the time of the "rapture" would have any bearing on the answer to those two. Number 3. I see no problem there. The "place" being prepared is obviously the New Jerusalem, which is seen, in Rev. 21, coming down out of heaven and "the dwelling of God is now with men, and He will live with them.." That is post-millenial and long after Christ's return. 4. The other verses dealing with God's wrath, well I certainly agree that God promises His own protection from His wrath to come. However, He does not promise protection from the tribulation, which is man's inhumanity to man. And I think that is where everything gets messed up by man, who naturally want's to think that when trouble starts, he's outta here. It doesn't matter what I THINK! I'm just a dummy, trying to understand what God's word says. It appears to me that the majority of evangelical, charismatic, and fundamentalist Christians have chosen to look at the tribulation and the Day of the Lord as being one and the same. I do not believe scripture supports that. The signs which Christ said, in Matt:24, would precede His coming are AFTER the tribulation. The same signs are mentioned in Rev.6 and in Joel 2 as being BEFORE the Day of the Lord's wrath. They are not the same thing. Therefore, He does not have to snatch us away before the tribulation in order to be true to His words about protection from His wrath. Finally, when I can find nothing to even hint about Christ coming before the tribulation(and I would love to believe that was true), and I can find that the resurrection mentioned in Rev.20 as being the "first", I cannot bring myself to believe that God forgot about one that happened seven years earlier. Blessing to you, also Ben |
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3 | Rapture - Bodies or souls disappear? | Matt 24:27 | Makarios | 104226 | ||
Greetings Ben, Actually, I hold moreso to the "pre-wrath" view of Eschatology then to the view that my church preaches, which is Pre-trib. I own two books authored by Ralph Van Kampen, entitled "The Sign" and "The Rapture Question Answered," both of which I highly recommend. What won me over to this view, is the prewrath interpretation of 1 and 2 Thessalonians, which led to me to fully understand and accept and favor this view above the pretribulation view. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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4 | Rapture - Bodies or souls disappear? | Matt 24:27 | BenK | 104311 | ||
Guess I'm not the only dummy around. I also have Van Kampen's writing and was,naturally, pleased to find someone who was understanding the scriptures to say the same thing they were saying to me. I'm 70 years old and, after many years of asking preachers, talk show hosts, and teachers to show me, scripturally, where I was in error, I have pretty much resigned myself to the fact that most hold their eschatological postions based on what they have always heard. I have many times heard Dr. Walter Martin, the former "Bible answer man", try to show folks that Jesus said "After the tribulation", however, since Dr. Martin died, the Bible answer man is now teaching pre-trib. Oh, well, I know that WHEN Christ returns is not as important as the fact that He will, in God's time. It does bother me though just to think about how confused the church will be when they find themselves in the great tribulation period and won't know what is next. Thanks again for your response, Ben |
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5 | Rapture - Bodies or souls disappear? | Matt 24:27 | kalos | 104312 | ||
Ben: I hold to the Pre-Wrath Rapture. There are too many questions that the pre-tribbers just can't answer. Taking the Bible at face value, I am fully persuaded that the Pre-Wrath position is the clear teaching of the Bible. Jesus' main theme in Matthew 24 is BE READY. Those who think we will all fly away and not be around for the seven-year tribulation period will not be ready. --kalos |
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6 | Rapture - Bodies or souls disappear? | Matt 24:27 | BenK | 104340 | ||
Kalos, I agree with you, and thanks for your comments. I just think it sad that so many are teaching for doctrine something that cannot be found in scripture, and some are even making millions of dollars selling a fantasy which even the church gobbles up as truth. One highly reputable, syndicated radio preacher says, when asked where the pre-trib rapture can be found, that it is in the white space between the end of chapter 3 and the beginning of chapter 4 of Revelation. I just don't believe God works that way. Thanks again, Ben |
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