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1 | purgatory is it true? | Matt 22:32 | Emmaus | 38403 | ||
Diosdado, Most on this forum would say no. Catholics of course have believed in it since apostolic times. It is the final stage of cleansing or sanctification before entering into the presence of God in heaven, which nothing unclean can enter (Rev 21:27). The usual text cited for this is 1 Cor 3:10-15 along with others such as Matt 18:21-35. Obviously those who deny purgatory would dispute these interpretations. Purgatory like Trinity is not a word found in scripture, but which some feel is illustrated or implied. You may wish to look at this link to see the historical roots of belief in this doctrine documented by the early Churh Fathers. http://www.catholic.com/library/Roots_of_Purgatory.asp Ultimately you will have to explore both sides of the issue yourself and come to your own conclusion. I suspect there may be something to see in the forum archives also if you search under the word purgatory. Emmaus |
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2 | purgatory is it true? | Matt 22:32 | Morant61 | 38598 | ||
Greetings Emmaus! Hello my brother! I went to the web site you listed. Between the verses you mentioned and the ones listed on the web site, we have the following verses proposed as Biblical support for purgatory. 1) 1 Cor. 3:10-15 2) Mt. 5:25-26 3) Mt. 12:31-32 4) Mt. 18:21-35 Let's look at each of these quickly, beginning with the Matthean passages. 2) Mt. 5:25-26: The context here concerns a brother who has something against another brother. The subject is told to leave his gift in front of the alter, be reconciled to his brother, then come offer his gift. Then, he is told that if an adversary is taking him to court, to settle up before they get there. Where is there any reference to a state of being after death, prior to entering Heaven? Death is not part of the context. 3) Mt. 12:31-32: This passage speaks of a sin which will not be forgiven, either in this age or the age to come. How does this support the view that there is a place called purgatory were sins will be forgiven or cleaned up prior to entering Heaven? 4) Mt. 18:21-35: This passage is a parable illustrating that we should forgive even as we have been forgiven. It would be a major mistake to take the details of a parable and turn them into an allegory, which is the only way this could support purgatory. But, if we want to make this an allegory, then are you saying that purgatory is a place where we are torured until we pay up? 1) 1 Cor. 3:10-15: This passage speaks of our works being judged. It does not mention anything about some temporary state between this life and Heaven. In conclusion, I have no problem with the simple fact that the word 'purgatory' is not found in Scripture. However, I do have a problem with the fact that the concept is not found in Scripture. It is a huge stretch, based on these verses, to say that there is a place where people need to go to get purified before they can get into Heaven. This is especially true since Scripture speaks of our purification as being accomplished on the Cross. a) Titus 2:14 - "who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good." b) Heb. 1:3 - "The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven." c) I John 1:7 - "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin." So, didn't the cross complete the job? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | purgatory is it true? | Matt 22:32 | Emmaus | 38783 | ||
Tim, Did you miss the part where I said that those who do not believe in Purgatory would disagree the interpretations I gave? Yes the cross completed the job. Where did I say or imply it did not? Does the fact that you and I are being sanctified and conformed to Christ after we are justified imply that the cross did not complete the job? Of course not. That conforming and sanctifying is the ongoing application of the graces won on the cross. As is the final detailing, so to speak. Christ's work sanctifies us. Is He limited by our death if we are already justified but not completely sanctified or conformed to him by the time we die or can He still complete the work he began in us to purify us to enter heaven without spot or wrinkle? I know I don't have to give you all the citations on that. You know them already. I was not expecting you or anyone else to be overcome by my explanation. I was just presenting the Catholic answer to the question posed. I assumed for obvious reasons that 99 percent of the forum would more than adequately represent the other answer to the question. We have both fulfilled our duty to give the reason for the hope that is in us even if we disagree on some details the reason. Emmaus |
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4 | purgatory is it true? | Matt 22:32 | Morant61 | 38786 | ||
Greetings Emmaus! Yeah! I got that part my friend! :-) I just thought you might want to explore a little! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | purgatory is it true? | Matt 22:32 | Emmaus | 38788 | ||
Tim, I've done it before. I have come to the conclusion, especially since I am a minority voice here, that it is better to make my point in a few posts and let it stand and let the other point of view do the same. You and Joe and some of the other guys have more stamina for debate just with the Protestant controversies. I don't see the merit in unifying you all and bringing down the whole forum on my own head more often than I feel compelled to in conscience. Besides, I need to sleep sometime. :-) Good night! Emmaus |
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6 | purgatory is it true? | Matt 22:32 | Morant61 | 38791 | ||
Greetings Emmaus! Well, I'm glad that you are part of the forum! Have a good night! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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