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1 | purgatory is it true? | Matt 22:32 | Emmaus | 38415 | ||
Diosdado, John Reformed is correct in saying: "The reason for the existance of the protestant denominations is directly linked to Roman Catholic doctrines such "Purgatory". " although it is a little more complex than that simple statement. However, I would disagree with his phrasing of the following: "Rome insisted on "faith plus works" as the way of salvation. The Protestants insisted on Faith alone in Christ alone by Grace alone." I would rather say that Catholics were opposed to the novel doctrine of "faith alone" because they believe that that faith and works in Christ are as intrically linked as a body and soul, so that James 2:17-26 would say 17: So faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. 18: But some one will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I by my works will show you my faith. 19: You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe -- and shudder. 20: Do you want to be shown, you shallow man, that faith apart from works is barren? 21: Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he offered his son Isaac upon the altar? 22: You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by works, 23: and the scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness"; and he was called the friend of God. 24: You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. 25: And in the same way was not also Rahab the harlot justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26: For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead. And Paul says: 5: For through the Spirit, by faith, we wait for the hope of righteousness. 6: For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is of any avail, but faith working through love. (Galatian 5:5-6)And "There are three things that last; faith, hope and love, and the greatest of these is loves." (1 Cor 13;13) And Paul also says in opening his letter to the Romans that he is sent "to preach the obedience of faith" (Romans 1:15) and closes the same letter in 16:26 saying that the gospel must be preached everwhere "to bring them to the obedience of faith." It should also be pointed out that Catholics do not believe in a "works righteousness." The first three canons on Justification by the Council of Trent make this clear. Canon 1. If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law,[110] without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema. Canon 2. If anyone says that divine grace through Christ Jesus is given for this only, that man may be able more easily to live justly and to merit eternal life, as if by free will without grace he is able to do both, though with hardship and difficulty, let him be anathema. Canon 3. If anyone says that without the predisposing inspiration of the Holy Ghost[111] and without His help, man can believe, hope, love or be repentant as he ought,[112] so that the grace of justification may be bestowed upon him, let him be anathema." It is works in Christ, not our works of the law, such as circumcision or any other works before justification, that the Catholic believes are necessary for sanctification and are a intrical part of the gratuitous gift of faith and justification by grace. For if Christ is in you and you are in Him He is working in you and you are working in Him. Faith is an active theological virtue, not passive. Emmaus |
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2 | purgatory is it true? | Matt 22:32 | EdB | 38445 | ||
Emmaus I'm not challenging what you said only asking a question. The three cannons you list definitely bring forth the belief of salvation through grace. My question how does pentance come into the picture. I had a friend that would go to confession and then come out and have to say X number of Hail Marys or Father forgive me (I mean no disrespect but that is what he told me he had to do). Wasn't that works? God is looking for a repentant heart it seemed what the church was doing was trying to make my friend regret what he had confessed to through works. I obviously don't understand it so please explain the idea is behind pentance. Thanks! EdB |
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3 | purgatory is it true? | Matt 22:32 | dylman | 38454 | ||
Hi EdB. This is just a note on your last email with regards to the confession and X amount of hail Marys. I think this is something often prcticed in Catholicism? I have always had a problem with this practice since first of all there is no mention in the bible that Mary has any authority to hear or answer prayers. It states is 1Tim 2:5 that there is no mediator between man and God except the son. As far as confession goes. It states in Mathew 6 that that it should be kept secret between man and God (again no mediator such as a priest) and infact in Mat 23:9 it says to call no one father except the father in heaven. This makes it hard to understand why the catholic religion would have their preists called father and also makes me wonder why they tell their members to confess to a priest at which point the priest (as far as i know) would give the person a certain amount of prayers to say and that his sins would be forgiven. A proest does not have the power to forgive sins. Only the father has this. There are many things i find confusing when it comes to the catholic religion and how they come about some of their beliefs but what i would sugest to you is. If you have questions that need answering then look in the bible. I belong to an evengelical free church after being raised a Catholic. What i liked most about the EFC is that if i needed answers my pastor would try and help but would always tell me to look for my self in the bible instead of takin his word for it. I can't say i personaly believe in purgatory. Therefore i don't believe in praying for someones sins once they are dead (ie last rights). It says in the bible that once your dead your dead. So sins need to be taken care of while your alive. This means as far as i see it. No Purgatory. I think there is something at the end of the old testament that talks of this but i will try and check i out for you. Hope i haven't gone on too much with this and no offence has been intended with the things i've said. God Bless Dylan |
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4 | purgatory is it true? | Matt 22:32 | EdB | 38495 | ||
Dylan I'm not Catholic and I'm not qualified to answer you statments. I believe Catholic confession and prayer of last rites is based on James 5:14-20. However my question to Emmaus was about pentance. I wasn't questioning the wording (hail mary) but rather the purpose. I think it best we wait until Emmaus responds before we discuss this much further. Thanks for your info. EdB |
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