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1 | should I avoid the appearance of evil? | Matt 18:6 | justme | 126445 | ||
Theo-Minor: Oh my! My wife and I read your response and we were stunned! What you have stated is rediculous if not HERESY! You wrote, "Sex outside of marriage with a boyfriend/girlfriend is not a sin, because there is no such thing as sex outside of marriage." And yet you also wrote "Their real marriage in truth occurs when the man "goes unto her", the act of conjugal joining IS the marriage, because the two have become one flesh." Your statements are outrageously flawed!!! Fornication, PRENEIA is illicit sexual intercourse. At least according to W. E. Vine in his book AN EXPOSITORY DICTIONARY OF NEW TESTAMENT WORDS. This would include sex between any boy and girl who are not married to each other. To suggest that sex between boyfriend and girlfriend is not a sin is not Biblical in any way shape or form. How do you come to such a conclusion? Read 1 Corinthians 6:12-20 and this states beyond any doubt and very specfically as to what is immoral. Am I to believe this Scripture doesn't apply to today? If marriage only IS a marriage when intercourse is possible then please tell me what do you tell some young married man who has lost his legs and manhood in a war, like the war we are in now? Is your incuation that they are no longer married? The answer to the couples question as to should they be baptised is most certainly and positively NO!! How can their hearts be right when they are living together? This is not living as HOLY people of God, and Scripture tells us we are to live HOLY LIVES! I say, oh yes it is OUR business how people conduct their lives, in their work, play, and what they do and with whom behind their bedroom doors. When some one comes to be baptized they are saying I have repented, and turned away from sin, and want to follow Jesus and His instructions. This is not saying perfection, but turning away from immorality is certianly one area that is expected. Remember that they are coming to the church to be presented as repenting believing Christians to be baptized. You are correct we are not to be a stumbling block for others. Marriage is not mans standard of tradition, but is the standard the Lord has made, it is not only sin in mans eyes, but is by Gods standard, Hebrews 13:4. You seem to contradict your self several times, one time you say sex with boyfriend and girlfriend is not a sin, and then say sexual intercourse is marriage. You say your truth is "Biblically sound" yet you anticipate reactions to your "radical nature of this post". The theology you advocate in not new or radical, it is as appalling as when Eve heard the mixture of truth and lies from satan tempting her. Finally the promise of freedom "If you can wrap your conscience around the truth of the idea, you will find a new and interesting sense of freedon from guilt and condemnation people would surely lay on you for your chosen lifestyle." Your advice is as slimey as a Missouri Catfish caught in a septic tank. Long time ago satan promised freedom that made Adam and Eve become as wise as God. Remember that freedom and how free they were, to sin? Theo-Minor, I think you need to "Major-ly" reconsider your theology and doctrine. I should sign this Theo-Major, but I am like always.... justme |
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2 | should I avoid the appearance of evil? | Matt 18:6 | Theo-Minor | 126539 | ||
Dear justme, 1. "Oh my! My wife and I read your response and we were stunned!" [ ... the anticipated opinions I shortly expect ... Case in point. ] 2. "What you have stated is rediculous if not HERESY!" [ Opinion, unsubstantiated by scripture. This is just name calling. ] 3. "Sex outside of marriage with a boyfriend/girlfriend is not a sin, because there is no such thing as sex outside of marriage." And yet you also wrote "Their real marriage in truth occurs when the man "goes unto her", the act of conjugal joining IS the marriage, because the two have become one flesh." Your statements are outrageously flawed!!!" [ Jesus defined the binding attribute of marriage. "Have you never read that the two are become one flesh? What God has joined together, let no man put asunder." The two 'becoming one flesh' is a joining by God, and this occurs between two people that have sex. The Corinthian example sets precedent to show that such is the case, even if the woman is a prostitute. Hence, the reason prostitution is bad; it is adultery. My statements do not contradict, nor are they 'outrageously flawed.' If a couple are having sex, they are not dating, they are married according to scriptural precedent. Such is the case even in rape. Deut 22:28-29 "If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife ..." ] 4. "Fornication, PRENEIA is illicit sexual intercourse. ... This would include sex between any boy and girl who are not married to each other." [ There is nothing perverted or unlawful about one man and one woman coming together, staying together, and honoring God together. This is only your opinion. "porneia (por-ni-ah); from porneuo (porn-yoo-o): harlotry (including adultery and incest)." This is the literal definition. As Vine's says, it is "illicit" sex. That means "unlawful, or unsactioned by custom or law." See Leviticus chapter 18 for a detailed list of said unlawful/perverted sexual acts according to biblical custom. ] 5. "To suggest that sex between boyfriend and girlfriend is not a sin is not Biblical in any way shape or form." [ To state plainly that it is sin without any scriptural substantiation is presumptuous and opinionated. ] 6. "Read 1 Corinthians 6:12-20 and this states beyond any doubt and very specfically as to what is immoral. Am I to believe this Scripture doesn't apply to today?" [ It does specifically state what is immoral. Verse 13 says that the body is not for fornication, and verses 15 and 16 define said fornication in direct context as lying with a harlot. This proves nothing, does not refute what I've said, and does not, at any time, say anything about two consenting adults in a monogamous relationship. As for today ... it still applies. We still shouldn't lay with prostitutes. ] 7. "If marriage only IS a marriage when intercourse is possible then please tell me what do you tell some young married man who has lost his legs and manhood in a war, like the war we are in now?" [ I didn't say that sex was the only way to be married, only that two people that have engaged in such are married. Marriage is a promise between a man, a woman, and God. You can promise to be together, but not have sex, but if you have sex, you are one flesh, and the promise is made in the act. ] 8. "The answer to the couples question as to should they be baptised is most certainly and positively NO!! How can their hearts be right when they are living together?" [ Whether their hearts are right is not for you to determine. Only God knows their hearts, and their conscience should not be judged by you. You're wrong in saying they shouldn't be baptized. "they are saying I have repented, and turned away from sin ... This is not saying perfection ..." If you're not perfect, then you are as guilty as they. Pull the beam from your eye, hypocrite. Sin is sin. If sin bars them, sin bars you. ] 9. "Marriage is not mans standard of tradition, but is the standard the Lord has made, it is not only sin in mans eyes, but is by Gods standard, Hebrews 13:4." [ This Hebrews passage does not say what marriage is, how it comes to be, that it is sin if you are not married, or that the act of sex does not make you married. You have proved nothing. Further, marriage is God's standard. The ceremony is man's standard. Again, you prove nothing. ] 10. Your final insults, based upon nothing but opinion, presumption, and idealistic teaching, are not worthy of a Christian. You should have refuted me with sound doctrine, or stated your opinion in a polite manner if you couldn't refute. This could have been discussed politely. Now it will not be discussed at all beyond this post. Go back to your mob. Theo-Minor |
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3 | should I avoid the appearance of evil? | Matt 18:6 | justme | 126602 | ||
Theo-Minor: If this were not so very serious I would think this were some kind of devils advocate game, in a seminary class. But what is so very sad is you may be wise in your eyes but you have majored in the minor's and minored in the major theology of the Scripture. You come accross as a very angry person, and determined not to learn a thing. O\Perhaps with some soul searching you might one day see that people here were kind and attempting to point out some very deep flaws in you understanding of Scripture. The fimal insult you made to Hank, one of the finest well studied Christians I have had a chance to know, was a big mistake that I am sure he has forgiven you already for. Be well. justme |
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