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1 | should I avoid the appearance of evil? | Matt 18:6 | Theo-Minor | 126415 | ||
Have you ever read, "Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of a harlot? God forbid. What? Know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh." [1 Cor 6:15-16] Or, "And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." [Gen 2:23-24] And here this other one, "And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother." [Gen 38:9] And then this one, "She shall put the ramaint from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that, thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife." [Deut 21:13] And this one as well, "If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her." [Deut 25:5] Fornication: porneia (por-ni-ah); from porneuo (porn-yoo-o): harlotry (including adultery and incest). porneuo (porn-yoo-o); from porne (por-nay): to act the harlot; indulge unlawful lust; practice idolatry. porne (por-nay); fem. of pornos (por-nos): a strumpet; fig. an idolater. pornos (por-nos): from pernemi (to sell): a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. a debauchee (libertine). Fornication is not sex outside of marriage, as it is currently taught. Fornication is prostitution or debauchery. If one man and one woman are living together in a genuinely monogamous relationship, they are not guilty of this particular act. Point of fact, the real sin would be the leaving and finding a new partner, which amounts to adultery. The real marriage in truth occurs when the man "goes in unto her." The act of conjugal joining IS the marriage, because the two have become one flesh. Sex outside of marriage with a boyfriend/girlfriend is not a sin, because there is no such thing as sex outside of marriage. The sex makes it a marriage. Cheating, leaving (except for certain acceptable reasons), or whoring yourself out puts you in the position of adultery, fornication, and other infractions. The answer to the question is yes. If they are willing, and their hearts are right, they can be baptized. It isn't anyone's business what goes on between you behind closed doors, unless said acts are grossly immoral in the sense of prostitution (in which case, we should uphold one another, etc., and it would be their business to keep you right with God and to admonish you to turn away from sin. We are our brother's keepers). Go and be baptized. Get married in the eyes of men by the standards of tradition, because if they see your situation as sin, then you should strive to NOT be a stumbling block to others. I hope I've helped you with a bit of truth. It defies modern doctrine, but it is Biblically sound, despite the anticipated opinions I shortly expect because of the radical nature of this post. Truth does not depend upon popular opinions. If you can wrap your conscience around the truth of the idea, you will find a new and interesting sense of freedom from the guilt and condemnation people would surely lay on you for your chosen lifestyle. Theo-Minor P.S. If this question is in regard to someone else, and you are just asking on their behalf, relate the information. |
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2 | should I avoid the appearance of evil? | Matt 18:6 | justme | 126445 | ||
Theo-Minor: Oh my! My wife and I read your response and we were stunned! What you have stated is rediculous if not HERESY! You wrote, "Sex outside of marriage with a boyfriend/girlfriend is not a sin, because there is no such thing as sex outside of marriage." And yet you also wrote "Their real marriage in truth occurs when the man "goes unto her", the act of conjugal joining IS the marriage, because the two have become one flesh." Your statements are outrageously flawed!!! Fornication, PRENEIA is illicit sexual intercourse. At least according to W. E. Vine in his book AN EXPOSITORY DICTIONARY OF NEW TESTAMENT WORDS. This would include sex between any boy and girl who are not married to each other. To suggest that sex between boyfriend and girlfriend is not a sin is not Biblical in any way shape or form. How do you come to such a conclusion? Read 1 Corinthians 6:12-20 and this states beyond any doubt and very specfically as to what is immoral. Am I to believe this Scripture doesn't apply to today? If marriage only IS a marriage when intercourse is possible then please tell me what do you tell some young married man who has lost his legs and manhood in a war, like the war we are in now? Is your incuation that they are no longer married? The answer to the couples question as to should they be baptised is most certainly and positively NO!! How can their hearts be right when they are living together? This is not living as HOLY people of God, and Scripture tells us we are to live HOLY LIVES! I say, oh yes it is OUR business how people conduct their lives, in their work, play, and what they do and with whom behind their bedroom doors. When some one comes to be baptized they are saying I have repented, and turned away from sin, and want to follow Jesus and His instructions. This is not saying perfection, but turning away from immorality is certianly one area that is expected. Remember that they are coming to the church to be presented as repenting believing Christians to be baptized. You are correct we are not to be a stumbling block for others. Marriage is not mans standard of tradition, but is the standard the Lord has made, it is not only sin in mans eyes, but is by Gods standard, Hebrews 13:4. You seem to contradict your self several times, one time you say sex with boyfriend and girlfriend is not a sin, and then say sexual intercourse is marriage. You say your truth is "Biblically sound" yet you anticipate reactions to your "radical nature of this post". The theology you advocate in not new or radical, it is as appalling as when Eve heard the mixture of truth and lies from satan tempting her. Finally the promise of freedom "If you can wrap your conscience around the truth of the idea, you will find a new and interesting sense of freedon from guilt and condemnation people would surely lay on you for your chosen lifestyle." Your advice is as slimey as a Missouri Catfish caught in a septic tank. Long time ago satan promised freedom that made Adam and Eve become as wise as God. Remember that freedom and how free they were, to sin? Theo-Minor, I think you need to "Major-ly" reconsider your theology and doctrine. I should sign this Theo-Major, but I am like always.... justme |
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3 | should I avoid the appearance of evil? | Matt 18:6 | Stultis the Fool | 126452 | ||
I understand quite well the argument that The-minor is putting forth. The scriptures he is quoting denote that the act of intercourse is a consumation placing both participants in a state of marriage. See 1 Crinthians 6:16: "Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a harlot is ONE BODY with her? For it says, "THE TWO WILL BECOME ONE FLESH."" The exact act here (between a person and a harlot), is illicit sexual intercourse (fornication between an individual and a prostitute, as Theo-minor previously defined). The result, as Paul adequately describes, is marriage. There are no vows, no passing of rings, no preacher, friends, family, bridesmaids, etc. Just a person, a prostitute, and the Lord. The bible, in no place, prescribes the tradition of marriage (exchange of rings, marriage vows, etc.) that we have today. Marriage, while it is manifested publically, is a union between a man and a woman, and not between those two and any other person. I challenge you to produce scripture that displays the modern marriage ceremony as neccessary to facilitate "marriage". You will find no such scripture. All two people need to be "married", in my opinion, based on what is or is not found in the scriptures, is a WILLINGNESS to be married. Nowhere does the scripture require pomp and circumstance or ceremony. However, I do not denegrate the modern marriage ceremony of a purpose, and gladly suggest that a marriage ceremony, a reception, preacher, vows, etc. are a fine thing and I add that there is no wrongdoing in the participation in such festivities. However, we must not enforce what is a tradition of men where it contradicts the teachings of God. Those two people, engaged and living together (assuming they are engaged in intercourse), by Biblical example (the words of Paul in 1 Corinthians 6:15-16, Gen 2:23-24, Gen 38:9, Deut 21:13, Deut 25:5], are as married as I am to my wife, you are to your wife, George W. Bush is to his wife, Augustus Caeser was to Livia, Joseph was to Mary, etc. You wrote: "When some one comes to be baptized they are saying I have repented, and turned away from sin, and want to follow Jesus and His instructions." Are you suggesting that two people, husband and wife, are to repent of foregoing a public marriage ceremony? You wrote: "Marriage is not mans standard of tradition, but is the standard the Lord has made,..." I agree, so why do we place our standards above the Lord's (as described in the passages above)? You wrote: "...it is not only sin in mans eyes, but is by Gods standard, Hebrews 13:4." Here you quote "Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled..." [Hebrew 13:4 partial]. Do you suggest that we do not honor the union God has made? Or do you not know, "that the one who joins himself to a harlot is ONE BODY with her? For it says, "THE TWO WILL BECOME ONE FLESH."" [1 Corinthians 6:16]. Finally, I insist that you retract your "Catfish" accusations. They are juvenile and horrible, and not at all the behavior I expect from one forum member to the next. If Theo-minor is wrong, and you seek to prove such, do it with scripture or humble opinion, and keep your insults to yourself. If you wish to rebuke him, use God's words [Jude verse 9], and, I insist, avoid insults. |
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4 | should I avoid the appearance of evil? | Matt 18:6 | kalos | 126455 | ||
Stultis the Fool: After reading your Note (to which this is a reply) and your other postings, I have a question: Why do they call you Stultis? kalos |
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5 | should I avoid the appearance of evil? | Matt 18:6 | Stultis the Fool | 126456 | ||
I call myself Stultis because I am a fan of Charles Darwin (though I do not subscribe to modern Darwinism, or any other "Darwinism" for that matter), and his research. "Stultis the Fool" was Darwin's pen name amongst his friends, and I in no way quantify myself with any ancient or popular mythology regarding the name or persons of "Stultis". I am just a fan of Charles Darwin. I hope this helps! | ||||||