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1 | From where is the KIngdom Lydia? | Dan 2:31 | ateo | 60560 | ||
EdB, When Daniel tells Neubchadnezzar in verse 38 "You are that head of gold" the usage of the word head seems to be anatomical in nature. The head was at the top of the image, therefore, the 1st empire had to necessarily be the head. I'm not trying to make Greece anything. I'm reading the story and, to the best of my ability, trying to see which scenario fits best. In my opinion everything in the book of Daniel points at Greece. Let's suppose for a moment that you're right, i.e. Rome is the last nation. Why does Daniel tell us about specific visions that concerned 3 of the 4 nations, and yet, doesn't even give us a name for the 4th? ateo |
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2 | From where is the KIngdom Lydia? | Dan 2:31 | EdB | 60618 | ||
Ateo Prophecy is difficult to understand but we have an advantage in that it was played out for us. Secondly Daniel's prophecy was not world history but rather prophecy that would effect Israel. History records the Babylonian empire, the image’s head of Gold, the next Empire that effects Israel is the Medo-Persian, the image’s shoulders of silver, the next Greece, the image’s waist of brass and Rome the loins of iron with the split of Rome seen in the legs. The Medes were never much more than a foe the Persians could not completely conquer so they finally made peace with them. The Medes coexisted during the later part of Babylonian empire but were never a factor to Babylon or Israel. In fact the Persian were not much but when they joined forces with the Medes things changed. Now go back to Daniel and see how this plugs into his prophecy. The first empire is represented as golden the most precious or strongest, that again describes a dictatorship of Nebuchadnezzar, the second was something less and since we are talking government it must mean the government was something less, not a dictatorship but rather a coalition loosely held together, this was the Medo-Persian empire. History records many times more time was spent infighting than in conquering. The next empire was Alexander’s it's swiftness of movement overpowered it opponents. It is said Alexander’s 75,000 men overcame the Medo-Persian army of 320,000 by its swiftness of movement. Again historical fact. Alexander’s four Generals were interesting particularly Seleucius and Ptolemy they spent more time fighting among themselves than anything else. They were never a world empire they were not much more than rivals that spent their time fighting. Rome comes on the scene, it conquerors everything that stands in it's way. It is merciless in it's war, crushing every foe under foot. Surely you have heard of the Roman turtle. an infantry formation that basically had no defense against it. When Rome's army faced an enemy blood was going to flow. Cities would be burned, land salted to make it worthless, and people killed or sent into slavery. When Rome conquered Jerusalem in 70 AD it is said the Romans were frustrated that there was not enough wood to make crosses on which to hang their victims. Doesn’t that sound like the description of the fourth empire of Daniel? History gives an validation to Daniel, as Daniel predicted that is how it turned out. I have no idea why Daniel never named Rome, I guess that is question we will have to ask when we get to heaven. EdB |
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3 | From where is the KIngdom Lydia? | Dan 2:31 | ateo | 60634 | ||
EdB, As always I appreciate your speedy response. I must admit I have enjoyed discussing this with you. Sadly, I feel I should bail on this topic for now. The reason is that I don't think I can do it justice, and anything I say from this point on would be repetitive. Graduate school keeps me very busy, and I don't have time to research enough. However, stay on your guard, because when I have more free time, I will probably be eager to pick up right where we left off. :-) On a different note, when I decide how to phrase it, I'm going to post a question. So this is a special invitation for you to join the discussion. Finally, I will summarize my argument one final time and offer you a chance to respond. As I'm casually reading through Daniel 2, it seems obvious that the 1st empire is Babylon. In my never-be-humble opinion, "head" is used anatomically, not as a reference to the head of Babylon. The 2nd nation must be inferior, and I see it as a military inferiority. The last nation was divided, which clearly Greece was. Lastly, if Rome is truly one of the nations in this vision, why is it the only one never named throughout the book? I'll let you have the last word. ateo |
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4 | From where is the KIngdom Lydia? | Dan 2:31 | EdB | 60661 | ||
Ateo This probably wold be a good time to stop since it doesn't seem we are progressing. Let me restate my position just for future reference. Daniel 2:36-38 is talking about Nebuchadnezzar not his empire but his position within it, the next kingdom is described in reference to that description. Therefore the next kingdom has to be the Medo-Persian Empire. While your right the Alexander’s Grecian Empire was split up it was more or less dispersed rather than divided. The term “divided” usually refers to a split into two rather than complete dispersal. Therefore unlike you I think the fourth kingdom cannot be the Grecian Empire but is in fact the Roman as history shows was divided into two Byzantine and Roman Empires. And completely fits the rest of the description. While the Grecian empire was powerful it does not fit the complete description of the fourth Empire nor does what remained under the Alexander’s four generals. The Grecian empire was more interested in spreading Grecian culture than smashing conquered countries out of existence. Notice the language of most of the world at the time became Greek. While Latin became popular within the church and is used in some disciplines it was never used widespread. Yet even today in some area of Turkey and other remote areas Greek is the central language. I will await you return. I too enjoyed discussing this with you EdB |
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