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1 | Robots? | Gen 4:7 | sniper | 79668 | ||
--Joe!, It sounds like you and inhisname have found a point of agreement. You say, "Who said anything about people being forced to do anything?" inhisname said, "Cain only did what he was made to do." That sounds to me like somebody said something about being forced. You say, "I was persuaded and convinced by the Holy Spirit." I was persuaded and convinced by the word of God through which the Spirit works. I ask "do you think questions" because I am trying to make a point of logic. You say, "If God didn't grant repentance,". God grants repentance? I thought God granted forgiveness when we repented. I thought repentance was an action on our part. I thought that was when a person changed his mind and turned from the old life. Peter told the crowd to repent... in order to receive the gift... I don't see him teaching the crowd to wait around until God granted repentance to some of them so that they could then obey. Under your view we are mere robots waiting for God to grant repentance and give us the power to obey. It must be very pleasing for God to have created a people that will worship him when he makes them. sniper |
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2 | Robots? | Gen 4:7 | Reformer Joe | 79671 | ||
"It sounds like you and inhisname have found a point of agreement." Of course I agree with him on some points. I agree with you on some as well. "That sounds to me like somebody said something about being forced." No, being forced to do something implies a desire to do other than what one is forced to do. Sinners don't desire to follow God, but that doesn't mean that they are able to on their own, either (Romans 8:6-8). "I was persuaded and convinced by the word of God through which the Spirit works." I agree that the Spirit works through the word (see, told you we agreed sometimes!). What is the work of the Spirit through the word to which you are referring? What does He do? "God grants repentance? I thought God granted forgiveness when we repented." He does both: "He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins." --Acts 5:31 'When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, "Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life."' --Acts 11:18 "The Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will." --2 Timothy 2:24-26 You wrote: "Peter told the crowd to repent... in order to receive the gift..." He certainly did. "I don't see him teaching the crowd to wait around until God granted repentance to some of them so that they could then obey." Neither do I. Those who were not granted repentance were not waiting around for it. "Under your view we are mere robots waiting for God to grant repentance and give us the power to obey." I thought I explained that erroneous perception in my last post. By the way, whose slave are you? "It must be very pleasing for God to have created a people that will worship him when he makes them." It pleases Him infinitely to redeem for Himself a people for His own possession from the mass of sinful humanity that has rebelled against His authority and holiness. --Joe! |
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3 | Robots? | Gen 4:7 | sniper | 79793 | ||
--Joe!, Your argument is not with me. My robot question was addressed to inhisname. inhisname definitely believes in the robotic nature of man. And, anyone else who believes that men will only love and worship God when God makes them believes in the robotic nature of man. Man can chose to be a slave to sin or a slave to Christ. Since I am not a robot, I have chosen Christ. sniper |
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4 | Robots? | Gen 4:7 | Reformer Joe | 79802 | ||
"Your argument is not with me. My robot question was addressed to inhisname. inhisname definitely believes in the robotic nature of man. And, anyone else who believes that men will only love and worship God when God makes them believes in the robotic nature of man." No, you are mistaken. Even if you disagree with the biblical doctrine of man's radical fallenness, it is an incorrect assessment to conclude that all those who do hold to that teaching believe that humans are robots. Unregenerate people sin because they desire to sin. They can decide in what ways they are going to sin, and even refrain from some sins for sinful reasons. What they are morally incapable of doing is pleasing God. They do not want to do it, and they are incapable, apart from the Spirit's work, of wanting to do it. Speaking of the Spirit's work, you never responded as to how the Spirit works through the word. You said that you were not convinced by the Spirit of God, but rather you were convinced by the word of God through which the Spirit works. What does the Spirit do through the word? "Man can chose to be a slave to sin or a slave to Christ. Since I am not a robot, I have chosen Christ." That's interesting: you equate slavery with human autonomy, as if a slave were merely an employee who applies for a job and quits whenever he wants. --Joe! |
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5 | Robots? | Gen 4:7 | sniper | 79805 | ||
--Joe!, I don't have time now to respond to everything as I have to go to work. Being a slave to Christ is a choice, and yes, God forbid, I could choose to to walk away from Him. Your statement is a bit flippant, and I think you know that I do not view discipleship as something to be entered into lightly. sniper |
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6 | Robots? | Gen 4:7 | Reformer Joe | 79808 | ||
"Your statement is a bit flippant" It was, and I apologize. "I think you know that I do not view discipleship as something to be entered into lightly." Nor do I. "Being a slave to Christ is a choice" Specifically, we were discussing whether being a slave to sin was a choice for the unsaved. Why would Paul utilize the image of slavery if what he were really talking about is merely free human preferences? --Joe! |
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7 | Robots? | Gen 4:7 | inhisname | 79878 | ||
Maybe sniper is talking about a willing slave. But there are no willing slaves of Christ. They are robots. | ||||||