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1 | Tree of Life can we say? | Gen 3:22 | EdB | 9407 | ||
Thanks to Steve, Nolan and THECROSS for your answers. I totally agree. Man as created was not going to live forever, he needed to eat from the tree of life to continue living. Can we then say physical death was not part of the curse of sin but rather a result of it? We don’t die because of the fall in the garden we die because we are separated from God’s presence and therefore from the ‘tree of life’ which would sustain life. I say this not to appear unorthodox but rather I see modern Christianity putting so much emphasis on the phyasical aspect of the fall. Modern man is focused on his physical situation rather than his spiritual situation. I think the adversary has successfully deflected Modern Christianity’s focus from the spiritual reality of the fall to the physical results to miss the spiritual truths. The reality of the cross gets lost as they seek after more physical fulfillment. Modern Christianity looks to God to make man wealthy, healthy, and wise. To feel good about himself, confident in his own capabilities and depend on his inner strength. Many look forward to eternal life and riches rather than a intimate relationship with God. |
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2 | Tree of Life can we say? | Gen 3:22 | kalos | 9630 | ||
"We don’t die because of the fall in the garden..."? We don't? Genesis 2:17 clearly states that we do die because of the fall in the garden. What does the verse SAY? Gen 2:17 (ASV) but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. "FOR IN THE DAY THAT THOU EATEST THEREOF THOU SHALT SURELY DIE." All I am doing here is what everyone repeatedly urges us to do, which is to take the Bible in its plain (literal) sense, not explaining away the meaning, but rather determining what it MEANS by what it SAYS. |
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3 | Tree of Life can we say? | Gen 3:22 | EdB | 9656 | ||
JVH0212 The point your making is my point, look what the bible records, “if you eat of the tree you will die.” That had to apply to spiritual death since that is what occurred. Before they eat they walked with God after they eat they hide from God. Their spiritual death was instantaneous, while physical death didn’t come instantaneously but occurred after some time. Physical death came about because they were driven from God’s presence and from the tree of life. The point I’m making is the “death” spoken in the warning was not physical death but spiritual death. The curse of sin does not carry physical death but rather spiritual death. Physical death occurs as a result of sin because we have no access to the tree of life which is in the presence of God from Whom we were separated from by sin. Results are the same, the focus in just different. ‘To me’ it makes what Christ did on the cross more understandable and much more wonderful. It makes Isaiah 53 explode with wonders, awe and truths hidden from my reasoning for years. Thank you Lord Jesus! Be Blessed and be a Blessing Ed |
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4 | Result of sin physical or spiritual? | Gen 3:22 | Lionstrong | 9680 | ||
"The curse of sin does not carry physical death but rather spiritual death. Physical death occurs as a result of sin..." Hi, Ed, Which one is it? Does sin result in physical death, or does sin not result in physical death? The curse for disobedience was death of the whole man, both spiritual (which occurred first) and physical (which occurred later). The gap between the beginning and end of death is not as important as that it included the whole man, body and soul. The order is the same in salvation. The relationship is restored first (the spiritual, the soul). The incorruptible body is resurrected later. So, everlasting life includes the whole man, body and soul. The death is total, and the life He gives is to the whole man also. God is not Platonic such that he is only concerned about the soul (I'm not saying that you're saying this.) He created Man body and soul; He will redeem man through Christ body and soul. |
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5 | Result of sin physical or spiritual? | Gen 3:22 | Searcher56 | 9716 | ||
Let me interject - Did eating of the Tree of Life grant eternal spiritual or physical life? -Did Adam or Eve have a need for eternal life? Did they violate any of the commands that God gave them before they ate of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil? ... I think the answer is no to both questions. -Were they guaranteed to live forever phyically? We know plants died, because the animals, including man did not eat meat. We do not know if animals died. I would think so, otherwise the word "die" would be meaningless. Again, I think the answer is no. I think they had to eat of the Tree of Life, to live forever phyiscally ... because if they were without sin, they would of lived forever spiritually. Plus, if the Tree of Life was to grant eternal life, that means Adam and Eve would of been condemned forever ... judged at that point. Steve |
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6 | Result of sin physical or spiritual? | Gen 3:22 | Lionstrong | 9722 | ||
Hello Steve, Thanks for your thoughts. Your response contain some assumption that I do not believe to be true. First, it assumes man would have died bodily if he had not sinned. Second, it assumes that man gains knowledge by experience, rather than it being given by God. Third, which is the point at hand, it assumes that death does not apply to the whole man, body and soul. God created man a rational being with the capability for there to be communication between God and man. In other words, man did not learn language by experience; he was created with it. So man understood the words God spoke to him. Also even if the Tree of Life could impart eternal life, it does not imply that not eating it would result in the condemnation of Adam. For one, God made no such threat. The threat of death was only for eating the Tree of Knowledge, not for not eating the Tree of Life. |
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7 | Result of sin physical or spiritual? | Gen 3:22 | Searcher56 | 9733 | ||
Lionstrong, you say "First, it assumes man would have died bodily if he had not sinned." I say that because we are all going to die (Heb 9:27) and there was nothing said that Adam and Eve would of lived forever - unless they ate of the Tree of Life. Then you said, "Second, it assumes that man gains knowledge by experience, rather than it being God. " I did not manke that assumption. However, the knowledge gain was not by experience - but, by eating of the tree. Next you said, "Third, which is the point at hand, it assumes that death does not apply to the whole man, body and soul." I was not looking at the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. They did not die phyiscally at the moment, so that tree was about spiritual life and the Tree of Life was for phyiscal. You said, "So man understood the words God spoke to him." However, do you understand all the words in the English language? Until you saw what ti die meant, you did not have a clue. There are somethings that you need an illustration to understand. I never said the Tree of Life condemned. Steve |
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8 | Result of sin physical or spiritual? | Gen 3:22 | Lionstrong | 9734 | ||
"Plus, if the Tree of Life was to grant eternal life, that means Adam and Eve would of been condemned forever ... judged at that point. " ............... Hi, Steve, ........................ Thanks for continuing this dialog on the issue of sin and death. I enjoy it, and think it important. Sorry if I misunderstood you on the Tree of Life and condemnation. I got it from your qoute above. ............. I'll deal with one point only because I have to leave for work shortly. Heb 9:27: Only if you apply your assumption about physical death can this verse be understood your way. However this verse applies to man AFTER the Fall only, because "through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned" Rom 5:12 If Adam had not sinned death would not be part of man's experience. "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive." 1 Cor 15:22 I also think that your notion of God's curse of death being only spiritural makes the physical death of Christ unecessary. But it was necessary because the curse of death was on the whole man, body and soul. ................. Thanks again for your interest in this subject. |
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9 | Result of sin physical or spiritual? | Gen 3:22 | Searcher56 | 9738 | ||
Lionheart, I think we are talking about two different things. I want to know about the Tree of Life. I think it is to live forever phyiscally ... based on my previous posts. Steve | ||||||
10 | Result of sin physical or spiritual? | Gen 3:22 | Makarios | 9772 | ||
Dear Steve, I commend your on your courage in trying to follow Lionstrong's convoluted posts! So far, you have done an excellent job. Nolan |
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11 | Result of sin physical or spiritual? | Gen 3:22 | Lionstrong | 37681 | ||
Convoluted!!? Don't you like me, Nolan? Peace, Lionstrong But I admit, the thoughts are rather tightly packed. You've got to read them sloooowly :) |
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12 | Result of sin physical or spiritual? | Gen 3:22 | Makarios | 37687 | ||
Context, Context, Lionstrong... I wrote that post last July. Or shall I call you "loose cannon"? :-) |
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13 | Result of sin physical or spiritual? | Gen 3:22 | Lionstrong | 37691 | ||
Yes, July, Nolan, But this is not a chat room. That means one can review past posts and respond and/or post new questions. Peace, Brother Nolan Lionstrong, a.k.a. LooseCannon |
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14 | Result of sin physical or spiritual? | Gen 3:22 | Makarios | 37694 | ||
Greetings Lionstrong, And this is a Study Bible Forum. That means that one should not loosely speculate and not provide absolutely groundless conclusions that are not biblically based. |
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15 | Result of sin physical or spiritual? | Gen 3:22 | Lionstrong | 37782 | ||
No loose speculation, and groundless conclusions. Agreed! Peace, Lionstrong |
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