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1 | world vs age | Gen 1:5 | PDAL | 216092 | ||
Dear john, Can you plaese provide scripture that clarifies Lucifer and the delvil are the same?You wrote that's what got Lucifer(the delvil)kicked out of heaven. |
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2 | world vs age | Gen 1:5 | stjohn | 216107 | ||
Hi PDAL, It's been a while since you've graced our pages and honored us with your esteemed presence. :-) If you read in Isaiah 14:12-18 you can see it tells the story of Lucifer's fall from heaven. Compare this to, Luke 10:18, where Jesus says: "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.” reading on in Isaiah 14 we see that this is describing the one who's foolish pride is shown to be at work here, who is none other then Satan (the devil) and in v13-14 we see the reason for him getting the boot. “You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." Comparing this to Genesis 3:5 where he, Satan, uses this same temptation on Eve that he aspired to as well, “You shall be as God" also in Ezekiel 28:12-18 v12 “take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre” and v13 says the King was “in Eden, the garden of God.” Scripture does not show the king of Tyre in the Garden of Eden, so it must be referring to Satan (the devil) in v14 we see him described as a cherub "You were the anointed cherub who covers, and I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire." The King of Tyre is not found anywhere else in Scripture to be in Heaven either so It is quite clear this is describing Satan, Lucifer, or as so often called, the devil. John |
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3 | world vs age | Gen 1:5 | PDAL | 216123 | ||
Hi stjohn, Thanks for remembering.I've read Isaiah 14:12-18,but i guess what confuses me somewhat is that v.16, says(is this the MAN)referring to Lucifer.So the way I read it is that it was a man that fell and weakened the nations,which was adam.My understanding is that God created the devil as the devil and man as man.The fall that took place is because of what one man did Adam,not what a devil did.Also what I found interesting was that Lucifer means lightbearer,which to me means that there is light within.So you see I'm a little puzzled,as to who Lucifer speaks of. Blessings PDAL |
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4 | world vs age | Gen 1:5 | stjohn | 216128 | ||
Dear PDAL, I think we can definitely rule out that Lucifer was a man. Isaiah 14 is poetry so it is impressionistic and less literal then prose. Verse 12 speaks of him falling from heaven and we know Adam was created on Earth and from the dust of the earth, Genesis 2:7. Also, when we read Isaiah in comparison to Ezekiel 28:12-18, and it should make it a bit easer to understand. We also know that Satan played a major part in the fall of man with his deception and tempting Eve to disobey God by eating of the fruit that God commanded them not to eat. I'm not little surprised at this confusion, I've never heard of someone (anyone) thinking that Lucifer was Adam. You could probably fill a library with books that attest to the fact that Lucifer and Satan are one and the same. I hope you don't mind my saying that It looks as though you are really digging for something that is ambiguous in Scripture. Thats quite a stretch! Scripture isn't that hard to understand, PDAL, it's not rocket science for heaven sakes. God didn't intend to confuse us or make it all that puzzling for us. I like what Dr. Harry Ironside said about Scripture, it goes something like: "Our loving Father doesn't put the cookies on the top shelf where His kiddies cant reach them" :-) You might also want to visit -http://www.gotquestions.org/Lucifer-Satan.html- The folks at gotquestions.org are very good at explaining things and do a much better job of it then I do. :-) Shalom John |
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5 | world vs age | Gen 1:5 | ptr | 216194 | ||
Hi PDAL, If Lucifer was a corporal being created with the appearance of man, then recognizing him would be a whole lot easier. But this is not the case. From the garden of Eden, mankind has been engaged with the enemy, also called satan and the devil. We should not take him for granted or underestimate his power. Bible history reveal that apart from the Lord Jesus, no other human being has sucessfully withstood his onslaught-that is by mere human strength. Whether it was the unique perfection of Eve, the patience of Job or the wisdom of Solomon, human strength has never been a match for this remarkable enemy of God's work. For us to comprehend the subtlety of his workings, must be divinely inspired. Through the life and sacrificial death of Jesus our Lord, we can become more than conquerors (1 Jn 3:8). Peter also wrote, "Be sober, be vigilant,because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour" (1 Peter 5:8). Because of his pervented ambition, he gave up the ordained will of God for his life and sought that which was beyond his calling and office. His desire was to become like God which led to his downfall (Matt 5:11;Isa 14:14). Unlike Jesus, his motive was not a sincere longing for more of the righteous attributes of a loving heavenly Father, but rather a lust to obtain the power, authority and glory of the Almighty God. It was this perverted ambition that he imparted to Eve that resulted in her sin. She blatantly disobeyed the commandment of God in her lust for greater glory. It is this misguided ambition that has destroyed many sincere children of God. Like Lucifer who kept not his first estate but left his own habitation, they too have lost out on what was God's will for them. Some are held in spiritual chains of darkness (Jude 6). The scripture cautions every man "Not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, according as God has dealt to every man the measure of faith (Romans 12:3). God bless you. Ptr |
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6 | world vs age | Gen 1:5 | azurelaw | 216195 | ||
Dear Ptr, Thank you for the fine post. Would you mind filling in your user profile so that we may get to know each other better while we are breaking bread on the forum? Shalom Azure |
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