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1 | world vs age | Gen 1:5 | Beja | 216047 | ||
FTK, 2 Corinthians 7:9-11 "I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, sot hat you might not suffer loss in anything through us. For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death. For behold what earnestness this very thing, this godly sorrow has produced in you; what vindication of yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what lo9nging, what zeal, what avenging of wrong! In everything you demonstrated yourselves to be innocent in the matter." Consider this passage. The difference between the anguish the world feels and the anguish that we as Christians feel is not warm and happy versus sad, but rather the difference lies in one sorrow over sin leading to death and one sorrow over sin leading to repentance and life. If you would suggest to me, "Ah! but look at the end result!" Then ofcourse, nobody here would argue with you that the end result of God's dealings with His children are to their ultimate good and joy! But what do we find here is the road to that ultimate good and joy? We find that God's word pierces deep into our hearts and creates painful sorrow and anguish over our sins in order to produces repentance in us. God's word cuts deep, it wounds our pride and selfishness in order that it may ultimately heal us. You tell us that we must be cautious and weigh the scripture according to how they make us feel, yet John urges us to rather test what we are told by scriptural standards, by the confessions of what we believe about Christ! (John 4:1ff) Surely this bedrock we must test it against is scripture's revelation of Christ. You challenge our confidence in God's word by pointing out that a word can have multiple meanings. Ofcourse they can. They do also in English and greek is no different. Context shapes the meaning's of words. If we were climbing a cliff face and I told you to "give me your hand" you would not stop and point out to me that the word "hand" could mean 5 cards in a game of poker, a piece of a clock which points to either minutes or hours, that it could be a verb and therefore I'm using it wrongly etc. The fact that it can mean various things would no way disturb your trust in what I meant in that particular moment. You are discovering what a novice of language discovers: words have different meanings in different contexts. Do you think Peter was ignorant of this fact when he uttered, "But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God." (2 Peter 1:20,21) Do you think Peter would revoke his statment of confidence in scripture due to finding out that words have different meanings in various contexts! Unfortunately the scriptures assume the capacity to read. Part of this capacity is grasping context and how that shapes words. Your own example gives evidence of this! You quote our Lord in saying that my words shall not pass away! Then you tell us it could mean either to come or to go! Could really both actually equally be what He meant? If you say yes then you show your "hand" in that you don't have the skill to determine the obvious. If you say no then you rob yourself of your own example. Am I being harsh here? Will you respond of how I have unduely taken offence? Will you challenge the bedrocks of assurance in which newly converted Christians place their faith telling them to trust their own hearts instead then wonder that those who keep watch over them rebuke you sternly? In Christ, Beja |
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2 | world vs age | Gen 1:5 | FTK | 216054 | ||
Beja: False prophets are known by their fruits. Wide is the gate that leads to destruction and many find it but narrow is the way unto life and few find that. If one builds his house on the rock of Jesus then the fruits produced are peace, love, joy etc.!The fruits of one that does not have the Love of God will be plainly evident also,destruction,anger,sin,pain and suffering.I rejoice in the fact that Jesus took my sin away.I am the righteousnes of God in Christ through Jesus. That makes me feel good.Maybe you should read more of what Jesus said and did.I sure can't wallow in sin that doesn't still exist! I thank God for his love. Do you thank God for..."words that cut deep and wounds our pride..." I pray for you to find peace, but I fear not your rebuke!! FTK | ||||||
3 | world vs age | Gen 1:5 | DocTrinsograce | 216060 | ||
Dear FTK, Biblical rebuke is applying the truth of God to individual circumstances. The aim is always restorative, not putative. Pastor Beja has demonstrated this understanding on the forum many times. Thank you for citing verses to make your case. You will need to take care, though, that you cite verses properly in context. As we often say here on the forum: Every text out of context is a pretext. Note also that the fruit of the Spirit is singular, not plural. The fruit is not a matter of emotion, but the character of a transformed nature. Finally, please be reminded: When you signed up to participate in the Study Bible Forum, you promised to uphold those things outlined in the Terms of Use. Promise keeping would certainly be a reflection of a our Lord's character, and the righteousness of God. While none of us would dissuade you from stirring up whatever feelings you deem fit, our purpose here is guided by very specific doctrinal presuppositions. We are a Study Bible Forum, not a Feel Bible Forum. May I ask, sir, do you understand the doctrine of sola Scriptura? In Him, Doc |
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