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1 | Is Genesis 1:2 the fall of satan? | Gen 1:2 | Hank | 143843 | ||
Appleseed - Please allow me to recommend a web site to you. It's icr.org. When you arrive at the site, go to 'search' at the top left of the home page and type in _gap theory_. You will be shown numerous articles dealing with the gap theory, progressive creation, theistic evolution and other subjects that may interest you. I believe you will come away from your studies with a better understanding of -- and an enchanced appreciation of -- the Bible's creation account. ...... Once a professor stood before his class, enumerated several different theories of creation, and concluded with, "So as you can see there are many ways to understand creation." A student rose and asked, "But, professor, why can't we just believe the Bible?" ....... Why indeed! --Hank | ||||||
2 | Is Genesis 1:2 the fall of satan? | Gen 1:2 | Appleseed | 144498 | ||
Thanks I went there but this only puts a "theory" in the place of Gen. 1:1 and Gen. 1:2 and doesn't say why. They put evolution in its place and this is wrong, unsupported by scripture. Also this is opinion based and not Word based. Please read through those scriptures I supplied and they will hold up in any court of law when put under scrutiny (from a world perspective) and more importantly this is what the Word says - explain those verses away by explaining when they happened and I will agree. The Word explains the Word. | ||||||
3 | Is Genesis 1:2 the fall of satan? | Gen 1:2 | Hank | 144519 | ||
Appleseed :: I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. I suppose you were speaking of the web site I recommended to you _icr.org_ when you said, "They put evolution in its place and this is wrong, unsupported by scripture. Also this is opinion based and not Word based." .... This statement of yours, if I understand it right, doesn't make sense to me, because ICR - Institute for Creation Research - is a conservative web site staffed by scientists who are also very orthodox in their Christian beliefs. Their major thrust is to debunk evolution, not promote it. They attempt -- and do a fine job of it, I might add -- to corroborate the biblical accounts of creation, Noah's flood and other events by using verifiable scientific and archeological data. From what I've seen and am able to understand of your creationism views, they are solely your opinion, which is corroborated neither by science nor Scripture. --Hank | ||||||
4 | Is Genesis 1:2 the fall of satan? | Gen 1:2 | In the Vine | 174860 | ||
Hi Hank and All, I looked through these and pretty interesting reading. However I'm surprised that no one took the time to hear what Appleseed was saying in Love. So to honour you here are the scriptural references to where I think Appleseed was going. It is like a puzzle (like revelations) when we put it together then we can see. So here are the scriptural text to answer. However before I do here, I too have sought out in the Word of God to seek the truth and avoid tradition like the plaque. This leads me to believe that Bible talks about life that existed before Adam and Eve (higher probability it existed based on scripture than not). There was nations that existed (non human like beings and not Angels) these where under the rule of Lucifer. These beings are what we call demons (they lost their physical bodies in the destruction and thus seek bodies to possess). If it was only Gen. 1:2 then it would be a stretch to assume this so here are the others. I'm yet to find one person that can answer the timeline of these events without talking about a preadamic world. I'm sharing this to help improve our understanding of the scripture because what Appleseed is saying is not unfounded. So due to space I'm going to put it in form of questions and will put it over 2 postings. 1) When was this that Job was referring to in Job 9:5-9 and 26:5-12? We know he was pointing out the magnificense of God, the events actuall took place and he described it in simple terms, when were these events? What is the probability based on context and literal events that it is the exact same sequence of events described in Genesis? Job said, "God removes the mountains, and they do not know when He overturns them in His anger; He shakes the earth out of its place, and its pillars tremble; He commands the sun, and it does not rise; He seals off the stars" (Job 9:5-7). This has not happened since Adam and will not happen, not even in the tribulation period. Then Job highlights that God stopped the light and then later made the light shine again, Gen. 1:3. Then Job goes on to describe Gen. 1:2-5. "He alone spreads out the heavens, and treads on the waves of the sea; He made the Bear, Orion, and the Pleiades, and the chambers of the south" (Job 9:7-9). Exact same sequence of events as Gen. 1:2-7, amazing. 2) When was Lucifer in the Garden of Eden and still working for the LORD - he was perfect in Eden (that was before he tempted Eve - so when)? Lucifer is known as the King of Tyre and Babylon was in the physical world before Adam and Eve, revived in the spiritual world after Adam and Eve gave their authority over to sin, thereby indirectly to Satan. Babylon in the spiritual world will be cast down at the end of the great tribulation (Rev. 14:8; 17:1-7). The LORD God said to the son of man, tell Lucifer, "You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering: the sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created. You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones" (Ezek. 28:12-14). Lucifer was perfect in Eden. We know that he was not perfect when Adam was there so when did God create Lucifer? If you say after Gen. 1:7 and before Gen. 1:25 then where does it say so or even still it was alot of activity and shouldn't have defected because God said everything was good and if he defected before Gen. 1:25 then it wouldn't be good. Back then Lucifer was the best-looking angel, or else God would not have mentioned how beautiful he was. By his physical composition he was created to praise God, what an incredible honor (would have been a very short praise :). See next postion for 3-8. In love because we need to be in unity Eph. 4. |
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5 | Is Genesis 1:2 the fall of satan? | Gen 1:2 | In the Vine | 174861 | ||
This is a continuation with more scripture. 3) When did satan fall like lightening from heaven? Jesus, the Word of God, mentioned Satan's fall, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven" (Luke 10:18). Lucifer was also part of the Holy government. On the Holy Mountain with God just like Moses coming before God (Ex. 24:10,17). Lucifer was God's representative on earth before Adam. God says, "By the abundance of your trading you became filled with violence within, and you sinned; therefore I cast you as a profane thing out of the mountain of God; and I destroyed you, O covering cherub, from the midst of the fiery stones" (Ezek. 28:16). Lucifer and the nations chose to turn against God between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2. God says, "How the oppressor has ceased, the golden city ceased! The LORD has broken the staff of the wicked, the scepter of the rulers; he who struck the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he who ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted and no one hinders? "Hell from beneath is excited about you, to meet you at your coming; it stirs up the dead for you, all the chief ones of the earth; it has raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. They all shall speak and say to you: "Have you also become as weak as we? Have you become like us?" (Is. 14:4-6,9-10). They, the nations then under Lucifer's rule, knew that Lucifer had authority because he was with God therefore the question "Have you become like us?". He weakened the nations before he was striped of his authority and was thrown out of heaven to Sheol, note not hell. You need to ask yourself when did that happen for the first time, when was he stripped of his authority and kicked out of heaven to Sheol (Sheol location of the death inside the earth). God says, "Your pomp (your pride) is brought down to Sheol, and the sound of your stringed instruments; the maggot is spread under you, and worms cover you. How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! "How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations!"(Is. 14:11-12). 4) Genesis 1 has two Hebrew words that describe two key activities God used in the reconstruction of the earth - Bara (means to Create, bring into existence from nothing, 01254 Strong's) and Asah (means to Mold/Fashion what already exists, 06213 Strong's) - We know that the Word of God is Holy Spirit inspired, go knows Hebrew J - 2 distinct Hebrew words used? In Gen. 1:1 Word says create however in Exo 20:11 it says made - For3588 in six8337 days3117 the LORD3068 made6213 (853) heaven8064 and earth,776 (853) the sea,3220 and all3605 that834 in them is, and rested5117 the seventh7637 day:3117 wherefore5921, 3651 the LORD3068 blessed1288 the (853) sabbath7676 day,3117and hallowed6942 it. 5) When were the Angels created, they weren't in the 6days of Genesis so when? As the Bible is book written for Mankind not for Angels. 6) Where do the Demons come from? They are not fallen angels nor are they humans souls who are there and where did they come from? 7) What is the time period from Gen. 1:1 the creation of earth and the chaos Gen. 1:2, how can we assume it is part of 1st day when the first day came later (Gen. 1:3-4). Is it possible that it was millions of years? 8) When God creates something it is always perfect so why was the earth without form and void, and more importantly why was darkness over everything, could it be that God sent judgement before Gen. 1:3? Jer. 4 talks of the land of Israel being without form and void, this comes after the destruction. Jeremiah uses the same words highlighting this is the result of destruction. "I beheld the earth, and indeed it was without form, and void; and the heavens, they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and indeed they trembled, and all the hills moved back and forth. I beheld, and indeed there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens had fled. I beheld, and indeed the fruitful land was a wilderness, and all its cities were broken down at the presence of the LORD, by His fierce anger" (Jer.4:23-26). We know God creates perfection (Deut. 32:4; Ps. 18:30; Is. 45:18). If we say no judgement then why was their darkness? To say something is dark you need to have light to compare it to. Darkness doesn't exist. Darkness only exists when in reference to light so light existed before on the earth or why would God say that darkness was there. Remember God is light and in Him there is no darkness so when He created something light exists so why would He permit it? Think about it He is light and He creates something from scratch Light exists for darkness to exist He will have to create that. But here in His presence there was darkness (Did He create that In Gen. 1:2? No, it was a result of something that happened). In love because we are all need to be rightly divide the word. |
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