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1 | Bible and evolution both? | Gen 1:1 | stjones | 19539 | ||
Hi, Joel; I hope you're satisfied that I'm really a pretty orthodox Christian. Believe it or not, I'm actually rather conservative in my understanding of Jesus and the Christian faith. Peace and grace, Steve |
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2 | Bible and evolution both? | Gen 1:1 | Reformer Joe | 19546 | ||
Steve: I am not questioning whether you place your faith in Christ alone for your salvation. I would love an answer to the question I asked, however, if you wouldn't mind. --Joe! |
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3 | Bible and evolution both? | Gen 1:1 | stjones | 19547 | ||
Sorry, Joel; I thought that was an answer. ;-) Of course I believe in the bodily resurrection of Christ. As I said, I really am orthodox, boringly so. Peace and grace, Steve |
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4 | Bible and evolution both? | Gen 1:1 | Reformer Joe | 19584 | ||
Steve: Actually, the thrust of my question was, "Why should I not take the next step and deny the historicity of the resurrection of Christ?" Is there one scientifically-documented story of a person dead and buried who came back to life after a few days? If the preponderence of "scientific evidence" suggests that such a thing is impossible, why should anyone who denies the literalness of Genesis 2 (which is the detailed description of man's formation from dust) accept something so "scientifically unsound"? --Joe! (not JOEL) :) |
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5 | Bible and evolution both? | Gen 1:1 | stjones | 19617 | ||
Hi, Joe! (sorry); Addressing three notes in one: 1. I visited the CRSC web site. Can I just change my label from "theistic eveolutionist" to "intelligent design-ist"? 2. The leprosy comment was a throw-away, not worthy of our discussion. I apologize. 3. "why not take the next step and deny the historicity of the resurrection?" Or the next - why believe anything in the Bible? I can only give a highly personal answer to this. [Note to everyone who is tired of hearing about me: I'm perfectly willing to stop talking about myself; get Joe to stop asking questions that call for a personal answer. ;-)] You and others seem to describe a slow (dare I say evolutionary?) erosion of faith starting with doubts about a literal reading of Genesis 1. It seems to me that this is a danger only if one's faith is based on the Bible. For example, someone might believe the Bible is truthful because it says it is or because there is external evidence that parts of it are historically accurate. Based on that belief, faith in Jesus might be a logical next step. And a crack in the biblical foundation might bring the whole house down. But I think this puts the cart before the horse. The foundation rock in Matthew 7:24-27 is Jesus himself, not the Bible. As my spiritual jouney unfolded, I came to believe that the Bible is truthful because I believe in Jesus Christ - not the other way around. I think it is a proper paraphrase of Romans 10:17 to say that "faith comes from hearing the gospel of Christ". With respect to faith, the Bible is a resource, not THE source (catchy, eh?). I realize that those who were able to convince me of the believability of Jesus' claims about himself based their knowledge on the Bible. But the Bible did not directly influence me. I wrote earlier that my faith is a gift of God and cited a couple of scripture references. But I didn't need the Bible to tell me that. After a few faithful witnesses had opened my mind, I asked a God whose very existence I still questioned to tell me if Jesus really was his son. He did. Only then did I begin to pay any attention to the Bible. I suppose that's the reason I've written before that we should never allow the Bible to be a stumbling block to acceptance of the gospel. The proof of the gospel should be in ourselves, not just the Bible. But within the body, we can duke it out over this stuff. ;-) When I study the Bible, I'm mostly interested in learning about Jesus and his ministry and discovering the mind of God. Science has nothing to say about such things. Science can't prove a negative and so has nothing to say about Jesus' bodily resurrection either. Science cannot threaten the spiritual truths of the Bible. I am just unable to see the mechanical details of creation as a significant spiritual issue. [Note to the scripture-reference-counters: I know I'm an upstart newcomer here, but it seems to me that part of studying the Bible is thinking about why it's worth studying in first place. ;-)] Peace and grace, Steve |
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6 | Bible and evolution both? | Gen 1:1 | kalos | 19619 | ||
You seem to have a very warped understanding of the Bible and what it is. You write: I came to believe that the Bible is truthful because I believe in Jesus Christ No, no, no. It is incorrect to imply that the Bible is true because you believe it. The fact is I believe it because it is true. I find your attitude toward the Bible to be low, casual and offensive. |
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7 | Bible and evolution both? | Gen 1:1 | stjones | 19620 | ||
I find your attitude toware me low, casual, and offensive as well, but I'm willing to ignore it. ;-) The Bible is either truthful or it isn't; my opinion doesn't make it one or the other. But every one of us is free to decide (and indeed must decide) whether or not we beleive it is truthful. I gave my reason for believing that it is. Let me re-phrase that sentence slightly: Because I first believed in Jesus Christ, I came to believe that the Bible is truthful. Is that better? I apologize if my wording created a false impression. Peace and grace, Steve |
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8 | Bible and evolution both? | Gen 1:1 | kalos | 19624 | ||
Steve: I owe you an apology. I am truly sorry. I don't blame you for being offended by me. I should have made it clear, but did not: it is not you whom I find low, casual and offensive. I admit I am offended by some of the things you write about the Bible. But, you yourself have, without exception, been gracious and kind in all your postings. Yes, I must agree with you that every one of us is free to decide for himself. "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." I have to admire your courtesy which is evident in all of your postings. Not only that but, as the Bible says, I do consider you better than myself. Please accept my apology. Grace to you, kalos |
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9 | Bible and evolution both? | Gen 1:1 | stjones | 19631 | ||
Kalos, you are too kind. I was composing a really, really blistering response when the Spirit restrained me. If the truth be known, I am a bad-tempered, prideful, opinionated, argumentative curmudgeon. If I show any of the characteristics you named, they are truly the fruits of the Spirit. I am sorry I have offended you with some of my views on the Bible. We probably share much in our views of scripture. Maybe someday I'll write a book; it's hard to fully explain some things in forum sound bites. Anyway, no apology needed, but accepted in the same spirit it was offered. Peace and grace, Steve |
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