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1 | Did Jesus go to hell? | 1 Peter | Radioman2 | 80500 | ||
Does God Always Heal? 'We have been made disturbingly aware of a number of problems that predictably arise wherever the healing/prosperity/confession movement spreads. It finally reached a point where we no longer had any choice but to do something about it. 'One very real problem is that the emphasis that is placed upon Christ bearing our diseases at Calvary undermines the biblical emphasis upon Christ bearing our sins. Whereas the preaching that we read in the New Testament is always centered around Christ’s death or our sins and resurrection for our justification (Romans 4:25), one finds that the preaching, and even the casual conversation of this current movement is dominated by the subject of bodily healing. Followers of the movement display practically an obsession with the topics of healing and “confession,” as though these subjects were the gospel and there’s little else in the Bible worthy of much discussion. Even if these doctrines were Biblical many who hold them would be guilty of being extremely unbalanced, not giving enough attention to many important aspects of Christian faith and living. 'Another unfortunate result of the preaching of these doctrines is that people lose their victory in Christ, and become shaken in their faith, because someone gave them a “biblical” formula for success, and it didn’t work. (...) 'To have the audacity to tell one of God’s children that if they are sick it is because of their own sin or lack of faith is to abound in presumptuousness, and be bankrupt in compassion. I’ve known of more than one person who demonstrated this insensitivity until God dealt with him by laying him flat on his back, and when none of his “principles” would work he suddenly developed an empathy of those he had once judged. We never see it portrayed in Scripture that perfect health is the sign of spirituality. To set up such a standard is to divert God’s people from the spiritual standard that Scripture does set forth (such as in 2 Peter 1:5-9). 'Ken Copeland and others teach that we must resist sickness in the same way that we resist sin. This also disturbs us. We’ve seen too many good Christians striving to “believe” their sickness away, and finally collapsing into self-condemnation and utter discouragement over their “lack of faith” or the “sin” in their lives. Most likely, there was a divine purpose for that sickness in their lives, and it would have been a lot easier on them, after they prayed in faith and nothing happened, to have ceased striving and simply rested in the comforting sovereignty of God. 'After being forced to go to this extent to prove that it is not always God’s will to heal, we do want to close on the positive note that we do believe that divine healing is for today. We see no Scriptural basis to doubt that we can expect to see healing take place here and now. Healing should be a regular part of the life of all churches (James 5:14-16). We also believe that faith plays an important part in receiving healing, and that the Church has much to learn about faith, and how to more effectively receive it for healing. We feel that many who saw this need embraced the “healing in the atonement” doctrine because it seemed to offer a more solid basis for faith. Unfortunately, however, this basis is not the Scriptural basis, and therefore it has created more problems than was hoped it would solve.' - Elliot Miller (This article has been edited due to space limitations. To read the entire article, see STATEMENT DH018, Healing: Does God Always Heal? [www.equip.org]) |
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2 | Did Jesus go to hell? | 1 Peter | gracefull | 80501 | ||
This also disturbs us. We’ve seen too many good Christians striving to “believe” their sickness away, and finally collapsing into self-condemnation and utter discouragement over their “lack of faith” or the “sin” in their lives. Most likely, there was a divine purpose for that sickness in their lives, and it would have been a lot easier on them, after they prayed in faith and nothing happened, to have ceased striving and simply rested in the comforting sovereignty of God. Tell me ONE time JESUS told someone they had to remain sick because it was God's sovereign will? God bless |
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3 | Did Jesus go to hell? | 1 Peter | Reformer Joe | 80505 | ||
"Tell me ONE time JESUS told someone they had to remain sick because it was God's sovereign will?" Why does Jesus have to say it in order for it to be true? There are a lot of Scriptural truths that Jesus Himself is not recorded as saying. Things that Jesus verbalized are not any more or less true than the Psalms or Pauls' teaching in 2 Corinthians. --Joe! |
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4 | Did Jesus go to hell? | 1 Peter | gracefull | 80506 | ||
Not one time did Jesus encounter in His entire 3 years of ministry, the first person who was supposed to be sick because God wanted to teach them something....That causes me to question everything in scripture pertaining to sickness and disease...There was such a major part of His ministry don't you believe He would have been wise enough to teach us that God makes us sick to teach us? No..I do not believe sickness is the chastening rod of God. God bless |
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5 | Did Jesus go to hell? | 1 Peter | Reformer Joe | 80531 | ||
Hi. You wrote: "Not one time did Jesus encounter in His entire 3 years of ministry, the first person who was supposed to be sick because God wanted to teach them something" The gospels show: 'As He passed by, He saw a man blind from birth. And His disciples asked Him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he would be born blind?" Jesus answered, "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his parents; but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him. We must work the works of Him who sent Me as long as it is day; night is coming when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the Light of the world." When He had said this, He spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and applied the clay to his eyes, and said to him, "Go, wash in the pool of Siloam" (which is translated, Sent). So he went away and washed, and came back seeing. Therefore the neighbors, and those who previously saw him as a beggar, were saying, "Is not this the one who used to sit and beg?"' --John 9:1-8 While Jesus certainly healed this man, he also specifically said there was purpose in his being born blind: "it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him." God had sovereignly decreed that this man spend the first part of his life in total darkness, specifically for the purpose of glorifying Himself in the healing of the man's blindness. Jesus used the blind man and his healing to teach his disciples that He is the Light of the world. Others saw the healing of the man born blind and could not dispute the authority of Jesus. "There was such a major part of His ministry don't you believe He would have been wise enough to teach us that God makes us sick to teach us?" So why did God make the man blind from birth? "No..I do not believe sickness is the chastening rod of God." Chastening implies sin. No one is saying that all sickness is punishment. Does suffering have purpose, however? What does 1 Peter have to say about suffering? Is it meaningless and unnecessary? --Joe! |
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6 | Did Jesus go to hell? | 1 Peter | gracefull | 80743 | ||
Hi Joe,and all other fellow forum brothers and'or sisters: I have been visiting this forum for a year almost, and I have noticed something that I intend to correct in the way I post. The problem with these threads is that they jump from scripture to scripture, even from subject to subject, and this ends up in confusion which I believe will not be helpful to visitors and may actually be harmful. Since I started this thread discussing 2 Corinthians, in light of teachings on healing, that is where I have concluded. For discussions here to be both productive and reasonable, time and research wise, I will not attempt to address 'scatter shots'. Although these scriptures by all of you do indeed address the subject of healing....I was addressing 2 Corinthians. We will surely have opportunity to address these others, but I intend to read your posts, pray and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance on what scriptures to study next. I hope this will help create a more 'Bible Study' atmosphere for visitors. Prayerfull...someone seeking an answer of "sufferings" will realize Paul is speaking of persecutions and hardships due to our association with the person of Jesus the Messiah, and will realize one can't erase 'messenger of Satan' and write 'sickness and desease or affliction' as Paul's thorn. To accept this fact does create some new things to consider, but that is what Bible Study is supposed to do. Get to truth and eliminate deceptions and lies from Satan. God bless |
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7 | Did Jesus go to hell? | 1 Peter | Reformer Joe | 80748 | ||
'Prayerfull...someone seeking an answer of "sufferings" will realize Paul is speaking of persecutions and hardships due to our association with the person of Jesus the Messiah, and will realize one can't erase 'messenger of Satan' and write 'sickness and desease or affliction' as Paul's thorn.' When one is afflicted by demonic activity, does it not often result in physical ailment? Think of those oppressed by demons in Scripture who were mute or suffered seizures. Could Paul have been suffering physical torment from this messenger of Satan? I don't think anyone was arguing for erasing one thing and inserting another, but rather to suggest that the former could very well have manifested itself as the latter. --Joe! |
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