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1 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | Norrie | 63399 | ||
Why are you so against titheing? I've found out from experience those against it usually just don't want to give. Mal 3:10 gives the blessing for those that tithe, I want my blessing. :) | ||||||
2 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63416 | ||
I am not against tithing, our church required us to give love offering not tithes. We have a basis why we teach that tithes is not for the Christian but only for the jews. Some of my basis is in the previous post to you but unfortunately you did not answers those or disprove those. What you did is to quote one verse to another to response my post but not really answers it. I asked you about where the abraham get his tithes? If Jesus Christ will happy with that kind of giving you ignore to answer it. I challenge you to give me any single teaching of Christ that He required anyone to give tithes to Him you again ignore them. It is very easy just show me that Christ has a teaching that required anyone to give tithes to Him and I am convince that tithes is for the Christian today. Here in you post you quoted mal 3:10 gives the blessing for those that tithe and you want your blessing! If your logic is this, then you are telling that Apostle Paul dont have any blessing because none in the new testament that Paul give tithes but love offering, he help his people being a tentmaker. all of the desciples never give thier tithes to Jesus Christ, if your logic is correct then they have no blessing at all after so many things that they have done because they never give tithes! Mal 3:10 indeed is for the jew: If you started at verse 6: Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed. He is talking to the people of Israel! not you not me but for the people of Israel, that is why I am asking you in my previous post if you are a jew. Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. Tithes is very part of the law it was given specifically to them take a look at this verse: De 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. De 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day. It was mentioned there "The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day" "not with thier fathers" even thier father is not included in that covenant. "but with us, even us, who are all alive this day" are we alive at that time? and you are claiming that we are part of that covenant? I hope you will answers my point. Because I am really answer your point Paul said law of moses cannot justify us, and tithe is very part of the law, meaning tithe cannot justify us. Or you can prove to me that tithe is not part of the law of moses? That show me my friend, any single teaching of Christ that He required anyone to give tithes to Him and we will agree. God bless, Johnny |
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3 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | EdB | 63420 | ||
Johnny You are right in what you have stated. But bear with me I'm curious. Do you feel a Christian has any responsibility in regard to the support of his church, his pastor and the work that the ministry accomplishes? If so how much? How much of a person's income should be set aside to further the work of the ministry? You pick a number and then you tell me how you reached it? Remember John the Baptist said if you have two coats and your neighbor has none you should give him one of yours. Jesus said no greater love has a man than to lay down his life for another. Jesus also said to love the Lord our God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind. I wonder does that leave out your pocketbook? Please let me know what you believe. I already know what you don't believe. In Love and in peace EdB |
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4 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63432 | ||
Of course EdB, if you alow me to tell you some story about our church here in the Philippines. Our church did not require us to give tithes our brother (we call him brother He is not want to call him pastor or reverend just brother as Christ said in Mat) We usually give as purposes of our heart some can give big amount some small. We have members that cannot give at all, those who are stayed in our home for the aged. Yes we have community of disable members. We have a national convention center worth 600 Million pesos (12M dollors)this convention center has our hospital and other facilities that can help our most unfurunate members. We have food there. If some time the typoon hit some area this convention center usually used for shelter for member and non member. The land that occupied of the convention center is family owned of our preacher but he donated it to the church, even his home and cars that he owned He donated it to the church so it is now property of the church. He is a very good example to us, when that convention center started He tried to build that in his own money it is 80 percent finished when He asked help from us to finish the convention center because our old center is too small for us. Our preacer and leader of the church has there own job to support thier family they dont get thier salaries from the church. Our church has more than 2 million in the philippines and thousand from other part of the world, we support our church and our fellow members. Philippines is one of the developing countries we have many poor people here, but I proudly say that none in our members died because they have no food because we support each members and number one for that noble job is our beloved brother (preacher) we enable to support our church but not requiring our member to give tithes but love offering. Our preacher always remind us of the life of apostle paul that the paul is not burdensome to his people, it is paul try to provide for the church, and he tried to do the same thing. 2Co 12:13 For what is it wherein ye were inferior to other churches, except it be that I myself was not burdensome to you? forgive me this wrong. 2Co 12:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children. 14. 2Co 12:15 And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved. the verses above is an inspiration to us. Thanks for time, God bless, Johnny |
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5 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | EdB | 63483 | ||
Johnny That was a very inspiring story, you are truely blessed with a man who seeks hard after God. However you did not answer my questions. Do you feel you should support the church? Do you feel you should support your pastor (brother in your case)? I remind you of Paul's writing in 1 Cor. 9:11 If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? Do you believe a workman is worth his hire? In other words if someone provides a service for you do they deserved to be paid? Do you believe you should support the ministry? If so how much should be set aside to give? What portion of your income should be used to support the church? The pastor? the ministry? Again I want you feelings or beliefs not what someone else does. EdB |
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6 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63588 | ||
We support the church the way we can, but as I said love offering is the way we give as a doctrine of our church. Paul said that we have to give in purposes of the heart. not ten pewrcent but any purposes of the heart. You said"Do you believe a workman is worth his hire? In other words if someone provides a service for you do they deserved to be paid?" My andwer: if in spiritual manner we believed in "freely receive you freely give" as Jesus Christ mentioned to His desciples. Do you believe you should support the ministry? If so how much should be set aside to give? What portion of your income should be used to support the church? The pastor? the ministry? As I said in my previous post, our pastor (brother preacher) has thier own job, they receive thier salary from thier job or business, they dont get thier income from the church. The discourage anyone to receive salary from the money of the church. We give to the ministry not to shoulder the salary of our pastors but to provide help to our unfurunate members, and the other needs of the ministry. Our founder so to speak (of course Jesus Christ is the founder of the Church) run his business such as restaurant and other business that he have in order to support the ministry. He tried to be like paul that support his evangelical mission by working and not by receeving tithes to his members. We also not receiving donations or help in non-member of the church we discourage that, in every worship that we have we put a notice that we dont receive love offering from our visitors and non-member. Again, we survive, by not giving tithes but love offering, this the teaching that give by Jesus Christ. Give as want you can, if we can give more than half of our income it is ok but we never required anyone. God bless, Johnny |
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7 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | EdB | 63612 | ||
Johnny Who cleans the church? Who paints the church? Do these people get paid? Now is the paint bought? Who and now is the electric bill paid if there is one? Who and how are supplies paid for. Shouldn’t that person be paid something for handling this aspect of the church? If the Pastor has to travel is his expenses reimbursed? I take from what your saying you don't think a pastor should be paid? Do you have an comments on 1 Cor. 9:11 If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? I'm confused a little you make it sound like you don't expect anyone to give then your last sentence you "Give as want you can, if we can give more than half of our income it is ok but we never required anyone." Is that saying many or most people give half their income? Does your church support missionaries? What denomination is your church? Do you pay any support to a central organization? A few more questions and now I'm showing my ignorance of your country for that I apologize. In the Philippines do you have professional sports, movie theaters, and commercial shows? Do you attend those? Do you expect to pay for these? Is the price set? Or do you pay what you want. EdB |
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8 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63614 | ||
Your question Who cleans the church? Who paints the church? Do these people get paid? Now is the paint bought? Answer:We supported it through love offering, this things are labor not for spiritual, we hire painters and they get thier payment for it we get contructor for those things. Who and now is the electric bill paid if there is one? Who and how are supplies paid for. Shouldn’t that person be paid something for handling this aspect of the church? Answer:The administration taking care of this, again through love offering we share. We have telivision program most of the payment for that services shoulder of our (*founder) if we have to help him he asked us if we can give, for those who cant its ok. If the Pastor has to travel is his expenses reimbursed? Answer:Of course, this things has to be shouldered by the church, but not thier salaries, thier income should be came from thier own job. They happy to serve as pastors and dont get pais by the church, true service. As I said freely you receieved freely give. I take from what your saying you don't think a pastor should be paid? Do you have an comments on 1 Cor. 9:11 If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? Answer:As I said our pastors has thier own Job they get income from thier own job or business, They dont want to be burden for our members. I'm confused a little you make it sound like you don't expect anyone to give then your last sentence you "Give as want you can, if we can give more than half of our income it is ok but we never required anyone." Is that saying many or most people give half their income? Answer:We taught love offerings, not tithes, if you can give you can, if you cannot it ok, give what you can give. Does your church support missionaries? What denomination is your church? Do you pay any support to a central organization? Answer:Of course we have our church in different nations. Our support to the church is through love offering, again most of the overhead was shoulder of our preacher. A few more questions and now I'm showing my ignorance of your country for that I apologize. In the Philippines do you have professional sports, movie theaters, and commercial shows? Do you attend those? Do you expect to pay for these? Is the price set? Or do you pay what you want. Answer:We have sports, movie theaters, commercial show in our nation, I dont see what is the relation of it in our church. We have TV programs for our church we pay the overhead through love offereings. I hope I answered all of your questions. God bless, Johnny |
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9 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | EdB | 63617 | ||
Johnny I see you do support the church you just call it a love offering rather than anything else. That is great! I have a slight problem with your treatment of the Pastor. I personally think you should see that your pastor is compensated in return for his service to you but that is your business. When I give I give for two reasons. One I’m honoring God with something very precious to me, something God has given to me to be steward over. It becomes an act of worship. The second reason I give is I understand if I want a nice church, to be able to give missionary support, to have a pastor that can drop anything and go to a hospital or travel with a family members as they escort a body back home for burial, he will not be able to hold a job. Therefore if I want him to have that freedom, I then have an obligation to support him. How much do I give? I think the Bible gives me a indication 10 percent seems to be a good place to begin. I know this is called a tithe. Before you jump up and say but that is Old Testament! Your right, but it was before the law. Abraham gave that amount to honor Melchizedek. Therefore in a like manner I giving to honor God Furthermore I’m can only bound to something when I allow myself to be bound, Christ has set me free. I can freely give my tithe or I can freely keep my tithe, but my sense of obligation and my commitment to support the church tells me I need to give it. Johnny I don’t know what expectations you place on your pastor but if you make any then I think you need to rethink your position as far as his support goes. Examine yourself, make sure you can stand blameless and not withholding what you could have freely gave. EdB |
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10 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | jlpangilinan | 63621 | ||
EdB, We learn that from them, the taught us that if we serve we truly serve. They dont asked really that we are going to help them for thier salaries. They are happy with the system. They really taught every members if we want to be a workers for the church such us preacher, we dont expect a salary from the church but then still we have many member become a worker. (The bible school is free anyway). This set-up is from them not because we dont want to help them but it really thier dedication to the church, instead of raising funds for thier salaries, we can use such funds for other matters. These are verses that they always remind us: 2Co 11:9 And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren which came from Macedonia supplied: and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself. 2Co 12:14 Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children. Again, thanks for your time, God bless, Johnny |
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11 | I won"t be saved if I don't tithe | 2 Corinthians | EdB | 63629 | ||
Johnny I'm glad that is working for you. There is a case to be made for pastor support and a case for not doing it. As the to the methods your church is using would probably not work here in the US. Where we have a give me mind set. However I do agree with what Hank said in one of his posts. I have found churches that don't focus on money seem to have more than those that put a great emphasis on it. Be Blessed EdB |
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