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1 | Man or man? | Mark | EdB | 141500 | ||
Janae Why did Jesus from the cross say, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?" which is translated, "My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?" Had God forsaken Him? Even though God promises never to forsake or leave us. Or was Jesus once more in love speaking the first verse of the beloved 22nd Psalm in yet one more attempt to point us to the truth by leading us to this psalm that prophetically describes in great detail the very crucifixion that was taking place before us. Ask yourself this question when David penned this Psalm under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit had God left him? Even though David was deep in sin, God through His Holy Spirit in the last part of the Psalm shows us he never left his side. Just as God never left the side of His Son. The price for sin is blood Jesus paid that price and with His blood he sealed the New Covenant which contains the promise if we believe in Him we will have eternal life. Let us look at it another way if in fact God had left Jesus, wouldn’t Jesus being God have known that God was going to desert Him and the exact reason why? Then why would Jesus ask the question? Jesus knew from birth He was going to die upon the cross for the sins of all men. Jesus went to the cross willingly. Nothing in life surprised either Jesus or God yet what you suggesting is Jesus in bewilderment cries out My God why have You forsaken Me? Would it been more logical to cry, ”God sin separates us now but not for long.” This teaching that God abandoned Jesus on the cross is without foundation and has no scriptural support. EdB |
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2 | Man or man? | Mark | Praise Be To God | 141501 | ||
Surely you are not saying that Jesus is a liar? Janae |
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3 | Man or man? | Mark | EdB | 141504 | ||
Janae I'm really surprised by your response it is far beneath you. It saddens me to see such a response. To answer your accusation. If in fact it was Jesus’ intent to question God, asking why God had forsaken Him I would stand guilty of attempting to make Jesus a liar by saying that is not the case. However nothing in scripture gives even the remotest support to that being Jesus’ intent. Therefore it is my honest belief that the impression that Jesus was questioning God is in fact wrong and that Jesus by quoting the first verse of Psalm 22 is displaying both His Deity and Humanity. His Deity by calling us to the truth of Psalm 22 His Humanity by mouthing the human frustrations previously spoken by David. Even as David wrote Psalm 22 he knew in his heart God hadn’t forsaken him read the whole Psalm. EdB |
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4 | Man or man? | Mark | Praise Be To God | 141507 | ||
Here is where we differ. I take the Bible literally; you add your own interpretations to it. Jesus in quoting Psalm 22 was fulfilling prophecy. Janae |
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5 | Man or man? | Mark | EdB | 141512 | ||
Janae I too take the Bible very literally, probably more so than even you. However I also make sure my exegesis of the scripture conforms to the whole of scripture. If there were even a remotest hint that God would have to forsake Jesus I would agree with you. If there was any example of where God deserted anyone one that called upon him no matter their state I would agree with you. If there were any foundation to the belief that God can not look upon sin I would agree with you. If Satan did not have access to accuse the saints, or if Satan did not stand before God and answer God's questions I would agree with you. But to apply this verse in a way that stands contrary to the whole of scripture is a problem for me. When we view a Bible verse we are to take it a face value, as long as that rendering aligns with the rest of scripture. However if face value is contrary to the whole of scripture then we need to investigate deeper. Upon investigation we see no example where God can not look upon sin, that God has to leave the presence of someone in sin or that God deserts us when we are found in sin. If your interpretation of this event is correct then we would have to conclude either the Holy Spirit is not as Holy as God and therefore can stand in the presence of sin or that He has to flee every time we commit a sin. Then the question becomes who convicts a child of God of sin if it is not the Holy Spirit? We would also have to conclude that Jesus was not fully God and fully man but rather was either. Fully God only when He was representing God and fully man only when He was experiencing humanity. Again this contradicts scripture. Your right Jesus was fulfilling prophecy when he quoted Psalm 22 but He did it as God as Man bearing the sins of the world. EdB |
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6 | Man or man? | Mark | lionheart | 141515 | ||
Hello EdB. God bless you brother. Once again you make a solid point. I too take Gods Word quite literally and we must. One thing that has helped me considerably in my study of the Bible has been understanding that God has incorperated numerous figures of speech, synonims ,and other things to paint pictures of himself and the principles he sets forth in the Bible. That along with things you have brought up in previous postings. In the case of a verse that may be unclear it gets explained in the verse,in the context,or it's been used elsewhere in scripure. Those points which you mentioned yourself on more than one occassion. When we apply these principles to our study of Gods Word along with lots of prayer it takes the guess work out of everything. That is why I see 2 Timothy 2:15 as a lynch pin to our study of Gods Word and the kind of relationship he wants to have with us.I think that if we as sons and daughters of God apply these principles consistantly that we will find ourselves much more unified and not so much at loggerheads with each other. God wants us unified and like minded where his Word is concerned. Thanx my brother, lionheart |
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7 | Man or man? | Mark | EdB | 141517 | ||
lionheart Well said! Unfortunately many refuse to do this and thus become the loggerheads of discussions. It seems human nature causes each of us at one time or another to fixate on a point, principal, teaching, prejudice or bias that we have acquired and blinds us to all other points of view. We become very dogmatic and unmoving refusing to even consider another point of view. In effect our minds are closed on that subject. We all have been guilty of this and it has lead to some interesting threads on this forum. As a way to counteract this trait of human nature Im trying to force myself to consider all opinions when I find a subject I normally take a dogmatic stance on. It is a very hard thing to open a mind that is closed. EdB |
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8 | Man or man? | Mark | lionheart | 141554 | ||
EdB,thanx brother I absolutely agree with you on this one. I,m not without fault myself. But I'm learnig more every day how destructive personal bias and opinion can be to our study of Gods Word and our walk with him.Thats why I have to make the extra effort to gaurd my heart.I know how opoinionated I can be. When I get that way I lose and so does anyone I'm trying to reach. Jesus says in Mtt12:25 Any kingdom divided against itself is laid waste and any city or house divided against itself shall not stand. I remember the pastor of the church I grew up in would pray for God to take his flesh out of the equation before he would bring the message. Think God might be trying to tell us something in Mtt 12:25. Personal bias and opinion have no place in the study of Gods Word. 1 Pt 1:20,21. Gods Word Speaks for itself. If we go into things with this attitude of heart we will find the answers we're looking for and more than likely they will be the right ones. If we apply these principles to our daily study and walk with God. I highly recomend That we take a good look at Romans 14. Paul does an outstanding job of explaining what to do with disputable matters, ie. Opinions personal bias ect. Guys we can be unified,we really can. Thanx for your input brother. your brother in Christ, lionheart |
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9 | Man or man? | Mark | kalos | 141559 | ||
Passing Judgment on Disputable Matters.. ...(see Romans 14:1). Lionheart: If we take a good look at Romans 14, we will plainly see examples of what kinds of things are considered disuputable matters. Whether to regard one day as special and whether to eat meat or not to eat it -- these are examples of disputable matters. However the Bible doctrines of God, Christ, man, salvation, etc. -- these are NOT disputable matters. Grace to you, Kalos |
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10 | Man or man? | Mark | lionheart | 141562 | ||
Exactly brother, and that is why we gotta let Gods Word speak for itself because it does and will every time. I know I'm sounding like a broken record here,with human nature being what it is though we can take the clearest of Bible doctrines and make disputable matters out of them. God wants us all on the same page. God would not call us do anything that he wont enable us to do. Thanx much. Your Brother in Christ, lionheart |
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