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1 | explain Mark 15:34 | Mark | stjones | 21007 | ||
Hi, Pixie; I can't prove this, of coure, but it seems to me that for the substitutionary atonement to be real, Jesus must have died with our sins on him. If he shed them before he died, then they're still awaiting payment and we're stuck with the bill. The wages of sin is death, not a momentary separation from the Father. I think part of the shame and horror and utter injustice of the cross is that the man Jesus did die utterly alone. He was as separated from the Father as anyone carrying a burden of sin to the point of death would be. Because he carried the burden all the way into death itself, we who put our faith in him won't have to. Just my opinion, not worth arguing over. ;-) Peace and grace, Steve |
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2 | explain Mark 15:34 | Mark | pixie | 21123 | ||
Hi Steve, I never really thought about this subject. I know that Jesus took on the sins of the world but as to how long he held them, was never a question. You bring up some food for thought. I don't know whether He shed the sins that were placed on him or perhaps His blood covered and purified them. But I know He had to be sinless and holy before entering into God's presence. So when did His holy nature return? As I said before, this is not something that I had ever thought of and my earlier response was an immediate thought. I guess I'll have to study up on this subject..thanks..pixie | ||||||
3 | explain Mark 15:34 | Mark | stjones | 21126 | ||
Hi, Pixie; My guess - it's just a guess - is that when he gave up his spirit, the man representing all that sin was dead and what remained was the pure, holy spirit of Christ: 'When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit' (John 19:30) All our sins were taken on at the cross and atoned for at that moment when Jesus breathed his last. At the resurrection, the man Jesus, righteous all along, was again holy and pure enough to ascend into Heaven. I like to sit around and read about these events and try to figure out such things - trying to "think God's thoughts after him". But don't let my intellectualizing get in the way of the wonderful myteries that have been only partly revealed. Peace and grace, Steve |
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4 | explain Mark 15:34 | Mark | Morant61 | 21143 | ||
Greetings Steve! I don't remember if I discussed this issue with you before or not! But, at the risk of repeating myself, my I add a few comments! There is a much simpler way of understanding the phrase "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us." (2 Cor. 5:21) Rather than trying to figure out how long He was sin, ect... We simply need to understand that He took our place upon the cross and paid our debt. I don't believe that this verse means anything more than that He took upon Himself the penalty of our sins. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | explain Mark 15:34 | Mark | Morant61 | 21149 | ||
Greetings Steve! "Stepped across the stars to Bethlehem and Jerusalem...."! I like it! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | explain Mark 15:34 | Mark | stjones | 21150 | ||
Thanks; the quotes reveal that it's not original: Joseph Bayly, "Psalms of My Life" Victor, 2000. Hard to find but worth it. This is a review so I hope the following is fair use: A Psalm for Christmas Eve Praise God for Christmas Praise Him for the Incarnation for Word made flesh. I will not sing of shepherds watching flocks on frosty night or angel choristers. I will not sing of stable bare in Bethlehem or lowing oxen wise men trailing distant star with gold and frankincense and myrrh. Tonight I will sing praise to the Father who stood on heaven's threshold and said farewell to His Son as He stepped across the stars to Bethlehem and Jerusalem. And I will sing praise to the infinite eternal Son who became most finite a Baby who would one day be executed for my crimes. Praise Him in the heavens. Praise Him in the stable. Praise Him in my heart. (c) Copyright 1987, 2000 by the estate of Joseph Bayly. If you can read that dry-eyed, you're a better man than I. Our (retired) pastor used to say that without Easter, Christmas has no purpose; without Christmas, Easter has no meaning. Peace and grace, Steve |
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7 | explain Mark 15:34 | Mark | stjones | 21148 | ||
Hi, Tim; I agree. This is a topic that I've thought about in the past and felt moved to jump in. I once did a brief meditation at a community Good Friday service on some of Jesus' words from the cross. In it, I speculated about Jesus' separation from his Father at Christmas when he "stepped across the stars to Bethlehem and Jerusalem". I wondered if his prayer in Gethsemane wasn't motivated more by dread of this looming moment of complete separation than by dread of the cross itself. I concluded with the thought that the terrible, undeserved separation he endured assures us that "neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God." (Romans 8:38-39) Still, the details are a mystery that ought to pique our curiosity but also feed our sense of wonder. Peace and grace, Steve |
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