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1 | Can I help you? | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 126793 | ||
OK, Stultis the Fool, I'll give you Scripture that states unequivocally that the sin of Adam rests on all our shoulders: "Therefore, just as through one man (Adam) sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all men sinner...therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's (Jesus Christ) righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous. (Romans 5:12,18,19). ....... What the problem seems to be is that you, so it appears, do not believe and are fighting against the orthodox doctrine of original sin. I do believe it, not because I necessarily like it (what would it matter whether I like it or not? Who am I question God's word?), but because the Bible teaches it. It is therefore true. It is no less true whether I like it, dislike it, believe it, or disbelieve it. [This subject, by the way, is deep and vast, and encompasses much more than can be treated of on a Forum like this. Perhaps you may wish to search out and study some good treaties on systematic theology, one of the prime subjects of which is the doctrine of the fall and orignal sin.] ...... It is much more fruitful to engage in a serious study of systematic theology than to play Forum ping-pong by batting isolated Scriptures back and forth to each other :-) It may be fun and good sport, but aside from that it really doesn't do much good. Blessings to you. I see no reason to think that you are not searching for God's truth, and so, for that matter, am I -- a continuing search that began 55 years ago! --Hank | ||||||
2 | Can I help you? | Bible general Archive 2 | Stultis the Fool | 126802 | ||
Hank, Thank you for the excellent reply. I obviously see those scriptures differently than you. I certainly understand why you believe what you believe, and I hate to dismiss this topic simply because of the "limitaitons" of this forum. Regarding Romans 5:12, it is easy for me to understand that "through one man, sin entered the world." After all, someone had to sin first, right? However, I will point out that all that applies to is the introduction of sin. Just like through one God Man entered the world. Man wasn't here, and then he was. Seems to me to be the same case with sin in 9:12. 5:18 is similar, sin was here, so God passed judgement, where there was none before. Gods judgement concluded all had transgressed the Law (transgression; an act, not an accident or happenstance), and thus came condemnation. Besides, we have a just God, and where there is sin there must also be justice (reap what you so, etc.). 5:19 The one man's disobedience was directly linked to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. With knowledge of good and evil comes the capacity for sin (the Law tells us so). With the Law, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. It is not to hard to swallow that we are all "sinners." I must point out again that original sin directly contradicts Ezekial 18:18 through 18:20 as well as 1 Corinthians 10:13, and a number of other versus I have brought up in posts on this thread. Now, we know that God isn't going to contradict himself (same yesterday, today, etc.), so there must be a rational explanation for this contradiction. If man is brought into this world of a corruptable flesh with a sinful nature, well, there is a fine, scriptural explanation for this seeming ambiguity. Otherwise, I am unsure of how to explain the situation. I will point out again that, due to obvious contradiction, "original sin" cannot be the answer. As far as "orthodoxy" goes, I will gladly point out that just because something has been taught for a long time does not make it correct. We don't need to look very far to see this in application (wether secular or religious). |
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