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1 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 90281 | ||
Greetings Jibbs! In light of all the fuss about NC's quotes from Spurgeon, I went back and re-read his post several times, and I went and read Spurgeon's sermon. I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about. The only claim that New Creature made in his original post was that Hebrews was written to Christians. He then quoted several places from Spurgeon where Spurgeon affirmed that Hebrews was in fact written to Christians. I never saw anyplace where New Creature claimed that Spurgeon thought that Christians could lose their salvation. But, Spurgeon did think that Heb. 6 was written to Christians. His 'out' was that it was a warning about something which could not actually happen. So I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. The quotes NC used were contextual in that Spurgeon did believe that Heb. 6 was talking about Christians. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | JibbyJee | 90282 | ||
Dear Tim: I'm responding to the implication that NC made by twisting the words of Spurgeon in order to spin a web of deceit by saying he 'agrees' with what Spurgeon said about Christians being able to lose salvation. To 'agree' with something Spurgeon never meant is the height of deception and hypocrisy! My argument is not whether or not Hebrews was written to Christians, but rather WHAT Spurgeon's message was. And since when has rightly dividing the word of God been an "out"? ;) In Christ, JIBBS |
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3 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 90284 | ||
Greetings Jibbs! The only problem is that nothing was said about Spurgeon believing that one could lose their salvation. Here is the opening of the post in question: ********************************** Mike the letter to the Hebrews, is written to Jewish Christian’s. They are converts from Judiaism to Christianity, and are warned about returning to Judiaism. In Hebrews, the writer refers to his readers as brethren. Heb. 3:1,12; 10:19; 13:22, because the writer acknowledages them as Christian brothers. Below I have added commentary on Heb. 6:4-6 from the man many have called the Prince of Preachers, Charles Spurgeon *********************************** NC then lists several quotes from Spuregon, where Spuregon makes the case that Hebrews 6 was written about Christians. That was the part that NC said he agreed with. So, I don't see the problem. He never made the claim that Spurgeon thought that believers could lose their salvation. So, where exactly did NC 'twist' Spurgeon's words? Didn't Spurgeon believe that Hebrews 6 was written about Christians? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | JibbyJee | 90297 | ||
Dear Tim I think you are missing the point. Perhaps going back to the beginning of the thread will enlighten you as to the very subject being ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED. NC has asserted that you CAN lose your salvation and has deferred to Spurgeon's sermon on Hebrews 6:4-6 to help support his view, albeit only by selectively picking what parts he 'agrees' with. The problem I have is that you can't 'agree' with something someone never meant to begin with. NC is viewing this entire thread through the construct that the Bible supposedly teaches we can lose our salvation. I believe that to be a heretical teaching. But that, for now, is beside the point. In Christ, JIBBS |
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5 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 90356 | ||
Greetings Jibbs! Sorry it took me awhile to respond, I had a softball game tonight! :-) We lost! :-) I'm not missing the point though. NC believes one thing, while Spurgeon believed another. However, they were both in agreement that Heb. 6 was addressed to Christians. That was the only claim that NC made about Spurgeon. Now, if he had went on and claimed that Spurgeon also believed that Christians could 'lose' their salvation, he would have been twisting Spurgeon's words. But, he never once made that claim in any of his post. In fact, in one earlier post, he specifically states that Spurgeon did not believe that salvation could be lost. I don't agree with all of John MacArthur's positions. Does that mean I can never quote him for things with which we do agree? I think you were missing the point my friend. NC did not agree with Spurgeon that Christians could lose their salvation. He agreed with Spurgeon that Christians were being addressed in Hebrews 6. I just don't want to see someone unfairly accused of something they never did. If you feel the accustation is justified, please produce the quote from NC where he says that Spurgeon believed a Christian could lose his salvation. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | JibbyJee | 90358 | ||
Dear Tim: Your point is well taken. I understand where you're coming from and how you are seeing the discussion. So for the confusion, I apologize. I'm realize NC never came out and said Spurgeon taught that salvation could be lost. That's not the issue. The issue to me is the fact that NC quoted from Spurgeon's sermon on the very issue of eternal security, while in defense of a position AGAINST the doctrine. I think it could only create confusion for people who are less familiar with Spurgeon to see someone quoting his comments on Heb. 6:4-6 to make it appear like Spurgeon himself believed you could lose your salvation. The insinuation is subtle and perhaps even accidental, but it's still there and in my opinion needed to be addressed. Hopefully, we can all just move on and forget about it. I doubt its worth all the stink it's creating. In Christ, JIBBS |
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7 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 90365 | ||
Greetings Jibbs! As I just mentioned to Hank, I do think New Creature should have cited a reference for the quotes, or perhaps a link, so that other could read the entire sermon. But, I don't think that one has to agree with all three of Spurgeon's quotes to agree with his first point. Like Spurgeon, I too believe that Christians are being discussed in Heb. 6:4-6, but I differ with where he goes from that point. Spurgeon's first point dealt entirely with the question of the identify of those in this passage. So, I think it is legitimate to quote that first point in discussing the identity of those in the passage. It would definitely be wrong to go beyond that though! :-) Well, good night my friend! I have to rest my weary bones after an entire game played at short stop! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 90367 | ||
Tim: "...after an entire game played at short stop!" But who won? Are you just being modest, or ... ? --Hank | ||||||
9 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 90368 | ||
Hank! Regretably, we lost! :-) The game was close for awhile, but it ended up 22 to 7. I don't normally play short stop, it is to scary a position for my taste. But, I did okay. Nothing got by me, I made a few outs, but I missed a few opportunities as well with poor throws! :-( If I recall correctly, our team has only won one game thus far, but it is a lot of fun! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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