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1 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 90356 | ||
Greetings Jibbs! Sorry it took me awhile to respond, I had a softball game tonight! :-) We lost! :-) I'm not missing the point though. NC believes one thing, while Spurgeon believed another. However, they were both in agreement that Heb. 6 was addressed to Christians. That was the only claim that NC made about Spurgeon. Now, if he had went on and claimed that Spurgeon also believed that Christians could 'lose' their salvation, he would have been twisting Spurgeon's words. But, he never once made that claim in any of his post. In fact, in one earlier post, he specifically states that Spurgeon did not believe that salvation could be lost. I don't agree with all of John MacArthur's positions. Does that mean I can never quote him for things with which we do agree? I think you were missing the point my friend. NC did not agree with Spurgeon that Christians could lose their salvation. He agreed with Spurgeon that Christians were being addressed in Hebrews 6. I just don't want to see someone unfairly accused of something they never did. If you feel the accustation is justified, please produce the quote from NC where he says that Spurgeon believed a Christian could lose his salvation. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | JibbyJee | 90358 | ||
Dear Tim: Your point is well taken. I understand where you're coming from and how you are seeing the discussion. So for the confusion, I apologize. I'm realize NC never came out and said Spurgeon taught that salvation could be lost. That's not the issue. The issue to me is the fact that NC quoted from Spurgeon's sermon on the very issue of eternal security, while in defense of a position AGAINST the doctrine. I think it could only create confusion for people who are less familiar with Spurgeon to see someone quoting his comments on Heb. 6:4-6 to make it appear like Spurgeon himself believed you could lose your salvation. The insinuation is subtle and perhaps even accidental, but it's still there and in my opinion needed to be addressed. Hopefully, we can all just move on and forget about it. I doubt its worth all the stink it's creating. In Christ, JIBBS |
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3 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 90365 | ||
Greetings Jibbs! As I just mentioned to Hank, I do think New Creature should have cited a reference for the quotes, or perhaps a link, so that other could read the entire sermon. But, I don't think that one has to agree with all three of Spurgeon's quotes to agree with his first point. Like Spurgeon, I too believe that Christians are being discussed in Heb. 6:4-6, but I differ with where he goes from that point. Spurgeon's first point dealt entirely with the question of the identify of those in this passage. So, I think it is legitimate to quote that first point in discussing the identity of those in the passage. It would definitely be wrong to go beyond that though! :-) Well, good night my friend! I have to rest my weary bones after an entire game played at short stop! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | Hank | 90367 | ||
Tim: "...after an entire game played at short stop!" But who won? Are you just being modest, or ... ? --Hank | ||||||
5 | What are your views of once saved always | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 90368 | ||
Hank! Regretably, we lost! :-) The game was close for awhile, but it ended up 22 to 7. I don't normally play short stop, it is to scary a position for my taste. But, I did okay. Nothing got by me, I made a few outs, but I missed a few opportunities as well with poor throws! :-( If I recall correctly, our team has only won one game thus far, but it is a lot of fun! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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