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1 | Blotted Out If We Reject Him | Rev 3:5 | Searcher56 | 171523 | ||
God's day to you, Jeff ... Then who is blotted out when He says, "I will not erase or blot out his name from the Book of Life." Searcher |
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2 | Blotted Out If We Reject Him | Rev 3:5 | jlhetrick | 171530 | ||
Easy Searcher, No one. Note, the wording is "I will not earase or blot out". So the answer is, no one is blotted out as far as this verse is concerned anyway. Furthermore, I don't find anything anywhere else in the bible that suggests a name is blotted out. I would relate this verse with the words of Jesus' in John 17:11-12. I know the debate on "losing salvation" has been covered many times on the forum, I doubt I could add to it. What I believe on the subject though was best stated by Paul. Rom 8:33 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Rom 8:34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died--more than that, who was raised--who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? Rom 8:36 As it is written, "For your sake we are being killed all the day long; we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered." Rom 8:37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. Rom 8:38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, Rom 8:39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. Praise God for that, Jeff |
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3 | Blotted Out If We Reject Him | Rev 3:5 | Morant61 | 171548 | ||
Greetings Jeff! What is the point of God promising something that can't happen anyway? ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Blotted Out If We Reject Him | Rev 3:5 | jlhetrick | 171558 | ||
Hi brother Tim, Sorry, but I don't understand your question. Jeff |
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5 | Blotted Out If We Reject Him | Rev 3:5 | Morant61 | 171566 | ||
Greetings Jeff! Let me see if I can clarify my question. :-) I used to write computer programs in my younger days. We would often use conditional statements to determine the action of a program. The statements could be written in a variety of ways, but one of them was the 'if then' statement. An example would be: "If someone presses 'A', then print 'A'" These statments could get quite complicated, but they followed a logical pattern. The promise in Rev. 3:5 is a conditional statement. Those who overcome receive the following: They will be clad in white garments, they will not be blotted out of the book of life, and Christ will confess their name before the Father. Logically, those who do not overcome will: Not be clothed in white, will be blotted out of the book of life, and will not have their names confessed before the Father. So, my question was this: Since Rev. 3:5 is a conditional promise, why would Christ promise that He would not do something for he who overcomes which He would not do anyway? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Blotted Out If We Reject Him | Rev 3:5 | jlhetrick | 171581 | ||
Hi Tim, Thanks for clarifying. Yes I agree, Christ would not promise something that He would not do. But I'm having trouble putting this together with the topic. God created us with an ability to apply logic and reason in our understanding of the Scriptures. But it is when we add assumption to what is written that our logic breakes down. You write: "Logically, those who do not overcome will: Not be clothed in white, will be blotted out of the book of life, and will not have their names confessed before the Father." Your assumption- that those names were ever written in the book of life before the foundations of the world. So your logic breaks down at that point. Furthermore, might it be considered an unkept promise if God were to write my name in the Book of Life, and then blott it out? God Bless, Jeff |
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7 | Blotted Out If We Reject Him | Rev 3:5 | Morant61 | 171584 | ||
Greetings Jeff! I don't want to drag this topic out, so allow me to finish with this point. There are a lot of assumptions about this topic on both sides of the issue. I assume that a promise NOT blot out a name indicates that a name can in fact be blotted out. There are scriptural references in the OT to names being blotted out. Others asssume that a name cannot be blotted out, even though there is no Scripture that actually says this. I've got to get to bed now my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | Blotted Out If We Reject Him | Rev 3:5 | DocTrinsograce | 171587 | ||
Dear Brother Tim, Of course God can blot out a name should He choose. Whether He ever does so or doesn't is entirely up to Him. This is what is meant by the attribute Sovereignty. He is not obligated to do anything, nor is He obligated by human arguments involving "may" and "can." Nor are we obligated to think that every occurrence of the word "blot" or "book" in Scripture is same metaphor. Scripture interprets Scripture. Basing whole theologies (if they can be dignified as such) on a single metaphorical statement without regard to the passage's genre, while ignoring the rest of Scripture and cultural Judaic practices, is exceedingly popular out there in a lot of churches. The sagacity of a hermeneutic principle, however, is not increased by popular concensus. Certainly no one in this thread subscribes to such an approach, regardless of the origins of their theology. Also we may rightly assume that good Christian charity would only ask hypothetical questions for good maieutic purposes, untainted by denominational divisiveness. In Him, Doc |
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