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1 | Election | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 163867 | ||
Dear Brother Mark, The Scriptures use the following terms interchangeably: "Children of Abraham," "Seed of Abraham," "Children of Jacob," "Children of Israel," etc. The term Israel can mean either the descendants of Jacob, or the the nation, or the territories it was given by God. I didn't mean to confusion things that way. The error is the presumption that this verse is stating that none of Israel are the elect. What Tim presented is a logical fallacy called a false dilemma. I was referring Romans 9:27. Those saved are the elect. The elect are those who are saved. See Romans 8, another part of the context. Think in terms of the whole of Romans. What does it put in juxtaposition? Works and law versus faith and grace. Redemption is a work of God that spans history. From before the fall in eternity past to the time of glory. No one will ever come to salvation outside of Jesus Christ. God has a plan and that plan clearly includes Israel, as Paul assures us. But if any are saved it is only through the cross. In Him, Doc PS Thank you for your definition of "free will." Responsibility is a an attribute that exists regardless of what we choose. We are even responsible for those times in which we fail to choose! I'm even responsible for many choices of other people. So I'm not sure that that says all we can say about the will. This is a very involved subject. Truth is not simple or trite... it is profound... perhaps that's why we have God spending so much time to reveal it to us! :-) |
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2 | Election | 1 Pet 1:2 | mark d seyler | 163871 | ||
Hi Doc, What I understand Romans 11:7 to be speaking, and (Tim can correct me if I am wrong) that Tim was saying, is that while some of Israel is said to be the elect, and the others of Israel to be hardened, how could they, that is, the hardened be later grafted in, if they were not of the elect? I do not think that this is a false dilemna. If the elect is a group of people whose number does not change, having been preset from the beginning of the age, how can any who are not of the elect become the elect, by being grafted in? Again, I believe that the Bible teaches both man's choice and God's election. We can't ignore one or the other. Love in Christ, Mark PS Choosing not to decide is a choice. :-) However, no matter how much you may influence or coerce another, their choice remains their own. We are all responsible for our bad actions towards another, and they theirs towards us, but at the end of the day, "each will die for their own sin." I'm really big on personal responsibility. :-) |
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3 | Election | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 163872 | ||
Dear Mark, You wrote, "How could they, that is, the hardened be later grafted in, if they were not of the elect?" Where does it say that everyone hardened is permanently hardened? Certainly that must be true for many, otherwise Paul wouldn't have talked about it. In any case, God saves at the perfect time so that it brings Him the most glory. If it serves His eternal purpose to harden a heart, only later to draw/drag that heart to salvation, that is His Sovereign choice. (His will is even more free than ours!) Puzzles seem inexplicable, sometimes, when you narrow your focus. When you back away, sometimes the bigger picture increases the clarity. Perhaps repetition of my answers will help with the repetition of questions: If someone is grafted in, they are the elect. If someone is the elect, they will eventually be grafted in. What's this thing with numbers have to do with the question? Is God bound by time? Or are you suggesting the doctrine of Open Theists? In Him, Doc PS Yes... every choice is our own. Yes, every man is responsible. Yes, each will die for their own sin. However, the sin of Adam is imputed to all humanity just as though they had done it themselves. However, the righteousness of Christ is imputed to those who are saved by grace just as though they had done it themselves. The latter "howevers" is called "double imputation." I'm really big on sound Biblical doctrine. :-) |
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4 | Adams sin? | 1 Pet 1:2 | lionheart | 163874 | ||
Doc, Greetings my friend, Is it Adams sin or the consequences of that sin that were passed down to us? In Him, lionheart |
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5 | Adams sin? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 163883 | ||
Dear Brother Lionheart, What we inherit from Adam is a corrupt or polluted nature. The sin we commit is a consequence of that nature (see Matthew 15:19; Romans 8:7; Colossians 1:21; James 1:14). However, Scripture teaches that Adam was the "federal head" of the human race. As the old divines put it, "As Adam and Eve stood in the room and stead of all mankind, the guilt of their sin was reckoned by God's appointment to the account of all their posterity." This is called imputation. (See Job 14:4; Psalms 51:5; Romans 5:12-19; 6:20; 1 Corinthians 15:21, 22, 45, 49; Ephesians 2:3; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; Hebrews 2:14-15) In Him, Doc |
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6 | Adams sin? | 1 Pet 1:2 | lionheart | 163888 | ||
Doc, That's what I thought.Just wanted to make sure I wasnt out in the twilight zone. Thanx, lionheart |
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7 | Adams sin? | 1 Pet 1:2 | DocTrinsograce | 163890 | ||
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8 | Adams sin? | 1 Pet 1:2 | lionheart | 163891 | ||
Doc, Thanx,I needed that. lionheart |
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