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1 | Is the Bible itself evil? | 2 Tim 3:16 | srbaegon | 135007 | ||
Hello nevermind, Welcome! :-) Hank may be staunch, but he's no fanatic. You must understand that your opening statements questioned the accuracy of the Bible. In so doing, you violated forum guidelines. That's why your motives were questioned. I believe kalos gave you a good start as to why the Bible is what it claims to be (the word of God). I'm curious about this statement: "The god you seem to think exists, is a god that will punish for belief!" What did you mean here? Steve |
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2 | Is the Bible itself evil? | 2 Tim 3:16 | nevermind | 135049 | ||
First off, thank you for understanding. I am not here to fight with anyone. I guess I should have read the guidlines. I have been in the computer field for a long time, and have the habit of simply clicking I agree without reading. I guess I just thought, since this was a bible discussion we could ask the tough ones. My apologies. What I meant by that statement, is that God may be able to know what is in your heart and what your are thinking, but these are not reasons to be damned. Actions, even in Gods domain, are the only thing that matter. If you think of hitting some one for no reason, I don't believe God will hold that against you. If, however, you actually hit some one for no reason, you will put a negative mark on your soul. I'm not sure I explained that very well. |
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3 | Is the Bible itself evil? | 2 Tim 3:16 | Morant61 | 135051 | ||
Greetings Nevermind! God makes it quite clear that 'thoughts' do indeed matter. Read Matthew chapter five. Here Jesus says things like: Mt. 5:21 - "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell." Mt. 5:27 - "You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart." Jesus also said: Mark 7:20 - "He went on: ‘‘What comes out of a man is what makes him ‘unclean.’ 21 For from within, out of men’s hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22 greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and make a man ‘unclean.’”" Heb. 4:12 says, "For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart." So, certainly actions will be judged, but so also will evil thoughts. p.s. - Concerning tough questions, we don't mind tough questions if they are asked out of a sincere desire to know the truth. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Is the Bible itself evil? | 2 Tim 3:16 | nevermind | 135064 | ||
Mt. 5:21- Everything in this brief quote was an action. Even anger is an action. I can believe that this would matter. Mt. 5:27- In my opinion, this is a bit silly. Lust is part of the human condition. What is it that causes us to approach a woman and ask her out? The absolute need to get to know her better? Perhaps. More likely than not, we see a beautiful woman and have certain thoughts. I guess I don't see what is wrong with having lusty thoughts and I think it is a terrible thing to be condemned by our God for it. Mark 7:20- If I don't misunderstand this quote. We are all considered "unclean" just by being alive. Yes we are capable of doing all of these things, but why should it be said that simply because I CAN do something terrible, that means I am bad. Jesus himself was able to perform these same actions. Heb. 4:12- What does this mean? What are we talking about when we say "The word of God"? God himself or his "word"? I think it's terrible for people to believe that simply for thinking something they will be judged. I'm not saying they should allow their minds to run away with them, but certainly they will not be condemned for them. |
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5 | Is the Bible itself evil? | 2 Tim 3:16 | Morant61 | 135065 | ||
Greetings Nevermind! Thanks for the response my friend! Allow me to touch upon your points! 1) Anger: How is anger an action? Anger can certainly be acted out, but anger is an emotion, not an action. 2) Lust: In the end, it really doesn't matter if we think something is silly or not! :-) There is certainly a difference between lust and attraction. Lust is an evil mind set that can lead to many evil actions, and God has condemned it. 3) Mark 7:20 isn't saying that we are 'unclean' simply because we are alive. Mark 7:20 is saying that evil actions spring from the evil attitudes of a person's heart. Thus, our 'thoughts' are important. If we never get 'angry', we would never murder! If we never lust, we would never commit adultery. The list goes on and on. So, contrary to your stated position, our thoughts are critical and will be judged. 4) Heb. 4:12: The Word of God is God's self expression. This verses tells us that His Word does indeed judge even our thoughts and attitudes. 5) Regardless of what you think my friend, God's Word says otherwise. It would be terrible for me to ignore God's Word simply because you didn't agree with it! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Is the Bible itself evil? | 2 Tim 3:16 | nevermind | 135071 | ||
You know. I could talk to you. You have been so nice, and so patient. Even when you are being blunt, you say it with a smile. You are one of the people that keep me interested in learning about religion. Our beliefs are quite different, but I feel that is what helps us to grow. I want to touch on anger. Whereas anger is an emotion, it always has an outward sign thus in my opinion anger is almost always an action. People do not always catch the outward signs, but they are there. Just like most of the responses to my question. I got a sense of worry, fear, anger/irritation, and perhaps even a little sympathy for my ignorance, in the responses I received. Even yours. The emotions are wrapped around words and body language if you know how to look/feel for them. I have another thought about being judged on what passes through my mind. If you are infact judged on your thoughts. Does it not stand to reason that if I thought about shooting someone and then thought about not shooting them (in other words, considered my options), it would balance out, thus negating the negative impact on our soul? |
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7 | Is the Bible itself evil? | 2 Tim 3:16 | Morant61 | 135077 | ||
Greetings Nevermind! I am glad that you feel you can talk with me my friend. :-) Everyone of us starts life seperated from God. Each of us had to come to the place in our lives where we were able to place our faith in Him absolutely. That is what I would love to see happen to you. Thus, I would love to be able to discuss your questions and concerns with you. :-) I would still respectfully disagree though that anger is an action. While it can certainly have a visible reaction on one's body, i.e. a red face, ect.... It does not have to have such a component. Over the years, I have dealt with many people who have buried their anger and never acted upon it. In these cases, it usually turns into bitterness. But, allow me to get back to this issue from the Sermon on the Mount concerning even our thoughts being judged. It would help, I think, if we can understand the context. Jesus was speaking primarily about a group of religious leaders called Pharisees. The Pharisees basically believed that they were 'okay' with God. They didn't steal. They didn't murder. They didn't commit adultery. But, Jesus wanted to show them that everyone of us needs salvation, that none of us is 'good' enough to merit Heaven. Look for instance at Mt. 5:20, "For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven." Thus, in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus confronts the Pharisees with their very best behavior, but shows them that underneath of it, their very thoughts and attitudes reveal their true nature. I believe that we would all agree that an act of murder would be worse than a feeling of anger. However, even the anger is sin. Rom. 3:23 says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," This is one of the essential concepts of Scripture, a realization of where we stand spiritually. For instance, you asked about a balancing of good and evil. Scripture is quite clear that no such balance is possible. Apart from Christ, we are all sinners, and the penalty of sin is death. Rom. 6:23 - "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." p.s. - Body language can be very difficult to read in a written post! :-) I have longed past the point where I would feel anger or fear because someone believed differently than I do about something. ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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