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1 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | 2 Tim 2:25 | BradK | 155945 | ||
Dear Bows, I did speak the truth in love! I will have to disagree on this matter as I have serious issue with your contention that it is a Biblical practice. It may be a matter of definition whereby I might need to better understand where you're coming from. However, there is simply no term used in the Bible called "slain in the spirit". I most certainly do not see the claim of the verses you provided as giving a foundation to support your contention. It is a mighty big stretch. These verses do not provide a foundation for any such doctrine either. In 2 of the verses significant visions are detailed by both Daniel and John. I trust you're not claiming the same for us as believers? If so, what is your basis? With all due respect, in following your posts and reading your profile, our major source of difference is this: Yours is an experienced-based belief, mine is that of sola scriptura! I don't mean this offensively either, I'm just pointing out wherein the basis for our differences lie:-) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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2 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | 2 Tim 2:25 | Bows44 | 155954 | ||
Dear BradK, Web surfing is a term that is not in the Bible either, but it is something many of us do. If you do not like the term slain in the spirit, then it could be more accurately described as not being able to stand in the presence of the Glory of God which is indeed described in I Kings 8:10-11. It happened that when the priests came from the holy place, the cloud filled the house of the LORD, so that the priests could not stand to minister because of the cloud, for the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD. Yes, experiences are a big part of who I am and help define my belief systems. But so does the lack of experiences frame the belief systems of many on the forum. Whether experienced or not, is not what dictates truth. Truth is gleaned from scripture. What I do is take my experiences and test them against scripture. When they line up, then they support my beliefs which are based on scripture. For example, I believe in divine healing. I have seen many people not get healed. I have also seen many people get healed. I am one of them. I see in scripture that God heals. Do I stop believing in healing because some don't get healed? No! I seek to understand why and then accept God's sovereignty when the why can't be answered. I also know that God uses many methods to heal, physical death being the ultimate healing. So my experiences of seeing people not get healed or get healed do not dictate my belief....scripture does. If you tell me that God doesn't do the things described in the Bible anymore, then I would not believe you, based on Heb 13:8. If I experience those things described in scripture, then that for me validates them, proves to me that scripture is true. If you haven't experienced these things, then instead of saying they must not be real, ask God to show you if they are real by allowing you to experience them. But do it from a pure heart of faith. Many are afraid to ask God to validate is word. But what God said in Rom. 8:38-39, 2 Tim. 1:12 and Jude 1:24 teaches us that God's ability to keep you from deception is greater than the devil's from deceiving you. I am sure that is why Paul wrote this to Timothy. The Pharisees and spiritual leaders were questioning the validity of their experences. I think I asked this before...show me in scripture where God says he no longer allows us to experience his Glory or speak to us personally. If someone has false beliefs based on experiences it is because that person did not test his experiences against scripture. Since God will not contradict himself, everything must be tested against scripture. Note: tested, not ignored. Hope this helps you understand my position better. Bows44 |
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3 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | 2 Tim 2:25 | BradK | 155955 | ||
Dear Bows, Thank you for sharing and better explaining your view. I respectfully, still do not agree:-) Web surfing is not a Biblical topic to begin with, so it may not be the best example:-) My concerns are threefold: 1. The preaching about the Person and work of our Lord Jesus Christ is largely negated in the world of WOF teaching. Experience is king, anything goes, no matter how far-fetched, but Jesus Christ is minimized.( 2 Cor. 4:5) Bizarre practices don't need to be had to know the Lord or enter into a relationship with Him (Phil. 3:10); 2. It is a stretch to validate "being slain in the spirit" upon 4 verses of scripture! Particularly problematic is that 3 of these verses are OT and are not given for the purpose of proscribing this type of "phenomenom" for believers! They were to Israel first. Further, the NT Gospels are absent of this practice. I find it also noteworthy that Paul ,who wrote half the NT epistles is silent on this matter. 3. Experienced-based theology is dangerous because of it's highly subjective nature! Plaes don't hear what I'm not saying: I do not negate that God is sovereign or that He does not or cannot heal. He both can and does! (Ps. 115:30) What is most bothersome is when experience trumps scripture, or the experience is sought and then one attempts to find biblical support for it. Note in Rom. 4:3, in accord with Scripture that "Abraham believed God", not that he "experienced God",or "felt the presence of God". It's not that I think you'll accept what I'm saying, because I'm most certain you'll not. Experience is a very poor substitute for the authority of Gods' Word. Its' either true or its' not. It doesn't need my or your experience to validate it. That is the error of "proof-texting". Bows, in answer to you when you ask, "show me in scripture where God says he no longer allows us to experience his Glory or speak to us personally", He's not desiring us to seek some supernatural phenomena. God is glorified in and through me and He speaks to me through His Word ( Heb. 1:2) I still remain... Speaking the Truth In Love, BradK |
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4 | SEARCHING FOR THE TRUTH | 2 Tim 2:25 | Bows44 | 155985 | ||
Dear BradK, In response to this concern... 1. The preaching about the Person and work of our Lord Jesus Christ is largely negated in the world of WOF teaching. Experience is king, anything goes, no matter how far-fetched, but Jesus Christ is minimized.( 2 Cor. 4:5) Bizarre practices don't need to be had to know the Lord or enter into a relationship with Him (Phil. 3:10); it took me awhile to figure out what you meant by WOF, but I think you mean word of faith. IF this is correct, your accusation is totally false. The very basic foundation of the word of faith movement is Jesus Christ. It is because of what He did for us on Calvary that we have anything today...salvation, healing, deliverence, favor with God, redemption from the curse, etc. Whatever is not of faith is sin it says in Romans 14:23. Granted many have abused and/or misused the word of faith movement turning it into a selfish give-me-what-I-want-God kind of thing. This is demonic twisting of the truth. But that doesn't mean that the principle has been negated. It is very sad when big name preachers fall from grace, but we are not their judge. We must humble ourselves and pray for their restoration, not reject them and their entire teachings. If the teachings are what you disagree with, then let's discuss them (the teachings, not the people) one at a time to see whether they are scriptural or not. But please don't reject truth just because somebody who teaches it messes up. Trying my best to speak the truth in love, Bows44 |
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