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1 | cannot eat pork,seafood? | 1 Tim 4:3 | Mathew | 84391 | ||
Steve, Without consideration of the context, this verse seems to be saying that we may eat anything without being condemned or contaminated. But when we examine the entire chapter, we find that it has nothing to do with diet. From verse 2, we learn that Jesus was dealing with a controversy by the Pharisees, who insisted that the disciples give their hands a ceremonial washing before they ate food. The purpose of this bath was to cleanse away the defilement of touching any Gentile person or object. Christ condemned their hypocritical tradition in verses 3-10, declaring that they were worshipping Him in vain by teaching manmade laws. Then in verse 11, He made the statement about defilement coming out of man, not going in. Afterward, Peter asked Jesus, "DECLARE" unto us this parable." Matthew 15:15. This statement proves that Christ's words were not to be taken literally, because a parable is merely a story or statement to illustrate A POINT. Notice how Jesus explained the meaning of His figurative statement: "Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: BUT TO EAT WITH UNWASHEN HANDS DEFILETH NOT A MAN." Verses 17-20. So according to Jesus own words he was not giving them the OK to eat abominable and unclean foods. To say so is definately taking this out of context, and going against Gods morals. |
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2 | cannot eat pork,seafood? | 1 Tim 4:3 | srbaegon | 84425 | ||
Hello Mathew, I agree with the context and the follow-up question by Peter. However, you are completely ignoring Mark's parenthetical commentary of Jesus' words: Mark 7:19 (Thus he declared all foods clean.) Either Jesus declared all foods clean, or Mark was wrong. Steve |
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3 | cannot eat pork,seafood? | 1 Tim 4:3 | Mathew | 84457 | ||
Hi Steve, Again let me point out I'm not trying to change anybodies mind on this subject. Just trying to learn from other point of views and sharing mine. "Either Jesus declared all foods clean, or Mark was wrong. Mark 7:19 (Thus he declared all foods clean.)" I beleive that Jesus was calling all foods clean. I just don't think Jesus considered the mouse,the swine or any other unclean and abominable thing FOOD in the first place. Here is another reason I I feel I must accept this interpretation of the account in Mark 7. Psa 89:27 And I will make him My first-born, higher than the kings of the earth. Psa 89:28 I will keep My mercy for him forever, and My covenant shall stand fast with him. Psa 89:29 Also I have set his seed forever, and his throne as the days of the heavens. Psa 89:30 If his children forsake My LAW, and do not walk in My JUDGMENTS; Psa 89:31 if they profane My PRECEPTS, and do not keep My COMMANDMENTS; Psa 89:32 then I will visit their wickedness with the rod, and their sin with stripes. Psa 89:33 But I will not completely take My loving-kindness from him, and I will not be false in My faithfulness. Psa 89:34 I will not break My covenant, NOR CHANGE the thing that has gone out of My LIPS. Lev 18:30 And you shall keep My ordinance, so as not to do any of these ABOMINABLE CUSTOMS which were committed before you, and that you do not defile yourselves in them. I am Jehovah your God. I beleive that we are PARDONED from the penalty of the Law. Because Christ paid that price for us in his Death. Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor, that He by the grace of God should taste death for all. We are the ones who could not keep Gods precepts and statutes. This is why the Law FAILED to SAVE us. Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was WEAK THROUGH THE FLESH, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh; I'm just saying "Don't you at least kinda think that maybe if God has called somthing abominable and unclean in times past, that it still is. ARE murder,adultry,coveting,ect..,are these things done away with? Hating your brother is still murder. Just as swine is still abominable. This next text even shows during the time of the end when Christ is returning, some feel they have the Liberty through grace to eat what God has called unclean and abominable. Isa 66:15 For, behold, Jehovah will come with fire, and with His chariots like a tempest, to refresh His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire. Isa 66:16 For by fire and by His sword Jehovah will execute judgment with all flesh; and the slain of Jehovah will be many. Isa 66:17 Those who sanctify themselves, and purify themselves to go into the gardens, behind one tree in the middle, eating SWINE'S FLESH, and the HATEFUL THING, and the MOUSE, will be cut off together, says Jehovah. Never did God consider unclean meat(FOOD OR MEAT) This is just an idea....I don't no Matt |
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4 | cannot eat pork,seafood? | 1 Tim 4:3 | srbaegon | 84504 | ||
Hello Matt, Food is food whether or not one receives a command from God. The Gentiles ate these foods--only the Jew could not. You ask: "Don't you at least kinda think that maybe if God has called somthing abominable and unclean in times past, that it still is?" No. Here in Mark 7 and again in Acts 10, God made a change. And consider this: Galatians 2:12 (ESV) For before certain men came from James, [Cephas] was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party. To eat with Gentiles means consuming what Gentiles consume. He didn't bring his own kosher food. What did Paul say to him? Galatians 2:14 (ESV) But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, "If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?" There is the crux of the matter. How can anyone force Gentiles to live like Jews requiring them to live under the Law? This same type of thing was addressed in Acts 15. Believing Jews wanted Gentiles to live like Jews. The council at Jerusalem said that there was no reason to force this burden upon Gentiles. The question to you is: Why do you want to force this burden on yourself? Steve |
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5 | cannot eat pork,seafood? | 1 Tim 4:3 | Mathew | 84528 | ||
Steve, Thank you for those scriptures. I've never read them in that way before. I want to research it more though. You asked me why I want to force this burden on myself. My answer is that I just don't think that God intended this to be a burden any more than keeping the Sabbath or any other commandment. I do however see what your saying about the Jews and Gentiles diets. However I must refur back to Noah and his family who were NOT JEWS. God told them two only take TWO of the unclean and seven of the CLEAN. I assume that God didn't intend for them to eat any of the unclean or he would have had them take a couple more of them perhaps. And I also beleive that I am engrafted in the same vine as the Jews. So I am a spiritual Jew(In Christ)He in me/And me in Him. To put this in perspective, I don't think that unclean foods and alcohaul are all that different. We can find scripture to perhaps show the liberty of both these substances. But many more to show how bad they are for us. My question is then: If I pray for my alcohaul, Is It now pure as is my unclean foods when I pray for them? Or are both still Bad in Gods eyes. This is my concern because the Bible says that we will be judged on what we have done to our Body wether it be good or Bad...Again, thank you for your perspective, Im going to check it out more. MATT |
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6 | cannot eat pork,seafood? | 1 Tim 4:3 | FreeThinker | 84542 | ||
Sorry, Off the subject, but I have a few questions. Such as, "Noah and his family who were NOT JEWS" then were did the 'New' Jews come from? Are they still the choosen even though the original Jews died in the flood? Second: "I just don't think that God intended" Does God know everything ahead of time or not? When he created the angels did he know that 1/3 would turn on him? When he flooded the world, didn't he know the the grandson of Noah would do what he did? |
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7 | cannot eat pork,seafood? | 1 Tim 4:3 | Morant61 | 84543 | ||
Greetings Free Thinker! Allow me to tackle your two questions! 1) Noah not a Jew? The Jewish nation officially began with the covenant God made with Abraham. Prior to that covenant, there was no Jewish nation. So, Noah would not have been a Jew since he lived prior to the time of Abraham, even though some of his descendants obviously were Jews. 2) Does God know everything ahead of time? Is. 46:9-10 addresses this question. God says of Himself there: "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. 10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please." So, it is clear that God knows everything ahead of time. I hope this helps! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | cannot eat pork,seafood? | 1 Tim 4:3 | FreeThinker | 84600 | ||
Thank you Tim! I didn't look close to the timeline. That makes a lot of sense. On the second point, I still have many questions. Such as: If God knows everything ahead of time, wouldn't have been better that I didn't exist since I no longer believe and therefore damned to hell? What would he do that? He would have known that I would find fault with his book and a host of his followers. I don't say this to be mean! I am very grateful for your enlightening information that you gave to me on the first question! But I do find fault with a god that knows everything and still allows things to happen. He, by your account, knew that Adam and Eve would fail and that Ham would fail after the flood. We own our evil ways to the first two humans that ever existed? And the to Ham that continued it after the world was nearly wiped clean? I never stood a chance! And the only thing that I get told is that be faith I can be saved. Faith!?! No proof? When I was learning math, the teacher had to prove that 4x equals 8 so therefore x equals 2. I didn’t just go on faith. And god knowing all would have realized that, I for one, need proof. If he is truly loving and caring and wants me to have an afterlife in heaven, then he would have proved it to me somehow. The last time god was seen was 2000 years ago! No one has seen him since. My son has faith that I will come home every night after work, why? Because I have proven it to him time and time again. Problems for me: Exodus 21 owning people! I get told that this was OK for the times, but not now. The old testament is not as important as the new. Matthew 5 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Why? Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. This is in discussion on this board right now. Many are giving good spins on it so that it does not sound so bad. So my point to all of this is simply, god knew me, and how he made me, why would he let that happen. If he knew all the problems that creating lucifer would cause, why did he do it? If you say that without knowing evil, how would you know good. Well I don’t know what it is like being antimatter either. I don’t know what it is like being female. So that just doesn’t answer the question. One story in the bible, 1 Kings 18, gives a great story about Elijah who built an altar to god to prove to the follower a baal that god was true and baal was an idol. That is what I am waiting for. As soon as someone lights an altar with no earthly help on command, then I will believe. God obviously cared enough about the followers of baal to prove himself, does he not care enough about me? |
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9 | cannot eat pork,seafood? | 1 Tim 4:3 | Morant61 | 84602 | ||
Greetings Free Thinker! Thanks for your honesty and thoughfulness my friend. This is a very complex series of questions, with my possible perspectives. However, allow me to share my perspective. What was the alternative? God could avoid evil and it's consequences only by removing our ability to make choices. So, the only real alternative to the system in which we currently live is one in which we have no choice whatsoever. Would you prefer that system? I know that I wouldn't. Another possible perspective concerns the relative 'good' or 'evil' of suffering. Most automatically assume that suffering can only be evil. However, most of the great strides that I have personally made in life came as a result of some great suffering which I have had to endure. So, is suffering really all 'evil'? As far as proof goes, you mention Elijah and the fire from Heaven. However, are you aware that many of those who 'believed' on that day, later turned repeatedly back to false idols? Many of those who saw the miracles of Jesus never believed in Him. Why not? Proof isn't all it is made out to be! ;-) You also mentioned that God should do something to prove that He loves you. He did! He died on a cross for your sins! What more must He do? :-) If you would like to discuss this more fully and more personally, I can be reached at Morant62@hotmail.com. Please feel free to contact me my friend. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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10 | cannot eat pork,seafood? | 1 Tim 4:3 | BradK | 84611 | ||
Free Thinker, I believe Tim Moran has spoken wisely in offering you his perspective:-) Please understand that we serve a God of Grace and Mercy! Consider Ephesians 2:1-5: "And you were dead in your trespasses and sins,in which you formerly walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience.Among them we too all formerly lived in the lusts of our flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us,even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ" Realize that "...God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."(Rom.5:8) This is a God of love. He didn't wait for us to "clean our act up" or "get right" before we could merit His forgiveness! I see an even more loving truth, that of the following verse "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him" We stand justified before Him by His sovereign action! The issue of God being "fair" or "just" can best be commented on by scripture itself in Romans 9:14-23: "What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? May it never be! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” 18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. 19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?” 20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? 21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? 22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory" May this add to your understanding and be a blessing to you, my friend. Speaking The Truth In Love, BradK |
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