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1 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | CDBJ | 216811 | ||
Greetings Vantage 68, Do you believe that as God’s children we will have a close idea as to when this time, we call the rapture, will take place? When the Scripture says "the day or the hour" that is being relatively close don’t you think; how about the times and the seasons, that leaves us an approximation? The Bible is explicit in telling us when God will take vengeance on those that persecute His elect. 2 Thes. 1:10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. It appears as though God is going to accomplish two separate events on the same day, remove His believers, at the rapture, and pour out His wrath on unbelievers who are left, both events on the same day; much the same as He did during the days of Noah and Lot. CDBJ |
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2 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | Vintage68 | 216814 | ||
HI CDBJ I reiterate. Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. With this now in mind, what makes you think, you will find in scripture where it says (when) he will return? Do you think there is scripture that tells us these things, so we can figure it all out before hand? If so, why do we have 3 different viewpoints? Wouldn't that be kind of counter productive for God to tell us that we wouldn't know, then give us all of the information so we could then know? Gods Elect will definitely know that the time is close, God will make sure when we should have the information, there won't be doubt, that is what we have now DOUBT. Where we are today, is no different than what has been happening for the last 2000 yrs. don't you think that people asked the same questions as the Spanish Inquisition was taking place? Aren't there a lot of events that need to be accomplished before the rapture? Are they happening? In answer to your question "When the Scripture says "the day or the hour" that is being relatively close don’t you think; how about the times and the seasons, that leaves us an approximation?" Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. First it says, (YE,YOU) know not the hour. That does mean us doesn't it? Then there is this. Matthew 24:40,41 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. One man, and one woman were saved weren't they, apparently they didn't know the hour. Then in Daniel it says. Daniel 2:21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding: Therefore, Can you depend on the (times) or the (seasons)? Vintage68 |
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3 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | stjohn | 216816 | ||
Dear Vintage, I agree with your post, and I think you did a good job in making your point with Scripture and keeping it simple. Many of the views of when these thing will happen are long, drawn out and, confusing, as far as I'm concerned. One this you said that I have to question though is your question: Aren't there a lot of events that need to be accomplished before the rapture?" Implying that somethings need to be accomplished before the Rapture can happen. I cant say for sure of course and I don't believe for a moment that anyone else can either, but I don't believe there are. :-) I also don't see anywhere in Scripture where it says that the Rapture is a single event. Just food for thought. :-) Thanks for a good old common sense post. John |
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4 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | Vintage68 | 216817 | ||
Hi John -- Thank you! Your question: "Implying that somethings need to be accomplished before the Rapture can happen. I cant say for sure of course and I don't believe for a moment that anyone else can either, but I don't believe there are. :-)" Your question, kind of drags it pack out on the field of speculation. It stands to reason, at least to me, if everything was accomplished, we would not be here:-) Everything Jesus needed to do is finished, as he said. But time is marching on until the time of the end. As you have said, we just don't know. I concur on your non - belief of the single event. Vintage68 |
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5 | Rapture | 1 Thess 4:17 | stjohn | 216818 | ||
Vintage, I don't really see why we wouldn't be here if nothing needs to be accomplished. He certainly could be just waiting as He has done in His great mercy and loving patience so many times before, for the iniquity of sinners to be complete (Genesis 15:16). And I didn't say I believed that there is not a single event, though I may lean that way I'm really not sure about it, but I merely implied that there is that possibility. It sure would put a lot of debate to rest though! By the way, Vintage, though I don't mind too much, I still don't really like to get into a discussion about Eschatology because, as you also have pointed out, (and especially here on the forum) it just calls for too much speculation. :-) I do for the most part like your reasoning on this though, it make sense to me too. And not too complicated too. I don't think our Father intended it to be that hard. I like what old Dr. H. A. Ironside said, at least I think it was him who said: "Our loving Father don't put the cookies on the top shelf where his kids cant reach them." Or something like that. :-) Thanks! John |
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