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1 | How did Paul understand salvation? | Eph 1:5 | srbaegon | 114883 | ||
Hello John, This makes for interesting mental gymnastics, but it's not Scripture. There are two explicit statements which come to mind that show what God will condemn us for: Matthew 12:31 (ESV) Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. John 3:36 (ESV) Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. Neither says it's because Christ did not die for their sin. Steve |
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2 | How did Paul understand salvation? | Eph 1:5 | John Pilgrim | 114888 | ||
I thought about the unpadonable sin Steve. Given what Jesus said about it, no one having committed it could be made new creatures in Christ. It also leads to the conclusion that it is impossible for one, having been regenerated, ever to commit such a sin. Therefore, Jesus did not die for all the sins of all men; Neither did He die for some of the sins of all men. Which leaves us with: Jesus died for all of the sins of some men. John |
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3 | How did Paul understand salvation? | Eph 1:5 | BradK | 114892 | ||
John, I don't know that I quite buy your logic:-) I realize we're getting into the area of election- a topic that has been greatly debated on this Forum. And while I would side with the Calvinists, we must be honest with scripture. Your last statement that "Jesus died for all of the sins of some men" doesn't appear in scripture though we may view the results as being so? What about Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,". Christ's death had to be efficacious for all to make the offer valid. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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4 | How did Paul understand salvation? | Eph 1:5 | John Pilgrim | 114948 | ||
Dear BradK, I am painfully aware that particular doctrines are not appreciated by some members,and I think I understand why. So...for the sake of unity and brotherhood, please let us refrain from labeling one another. The important thing is that we be "in Christ". You asked: "Your last statement that "Jesus died for all of the sins of some men" doesn't appear in scripture though we may view the results as being so?" John 10:11 "I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep. John 10:15 even as the Father knows Me and I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep John 10:26 "But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. John 10:27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; Are all or only some "sheep"? You ask: What about Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,". Christ's death had to be efficacious for all to make the offer valid." Only if His death was meant for all men in the first place. Matt 1:21 "She will bear a Son; and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins." Was the angel of the Lord wrong? He said "He will save"...will save who?... all people?...No!..."His people...". Who are "His people"? The Jews only? Only "some". Jews were saved. The Gentiles? No. Only "some" were saved. I believe all that the Father gave Him were those who are meant by "His people". God Bless, John |
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5 | How did Paul understand salvation? | Eph 1:5 | EdB | 114949 | ||
John The debate you seem bent on perpetuating has been ongoing for 500 years. Minds greater than ours has not been able to reconcile various scriptures on the subject to the satisfaction of both sides. So what is the point? Are we so prideful to think we have the answer? This topic has been discussed and re-discussed on this forum with no results other than anger and hurt feelings. Many a good contributor has left the forum over what has taken place in the name of this debate. In the name of Christian unity I ask you and all involved to refrain from further debate on this subject. EdB |
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6 | How did Paul understand salvation? | Eph 1:5 | John Pilgrim | 114962 | ||
Dear EDB, I am sorry if you were offended by my willingness reply to another user on the forum. I hate to state the obvious, but, is'nt the purpose of forum such as this a place to reason over and discuss Scripture? I have not obseved any rancour from those whom I've been communicating with. In fact it has been polite christian fellowship. I'm sorry brother Ed, but I think your alarum is not grounded in reality. Have no fear, I am as interested in unity among the family of God as you are. Your brother, John |
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