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1 | Prove all things hold fast to the good.. | 1 Cor 15:1 | goodnewsminister | 86246 | ||
Dear John Reformed, I thank you for your concern and for your kind, Christian comments. I truly LOVE all of you dear, precious people on this board, this is why I came here to proclaim the GOOD NEWS, in stark contrast to the BAD NEWS that many of you have been taught to believe by your churches. Let's proceed with an examination of your post. You start off saying,"The "good news" of the gospel begins with the bad news that mankind, apart from faith in Christ is doomed to hellfire!" Yes, in your very next breath, you quote a verse that is diametrically opposed to the point your just made, let us READ WHAT IT SAYS, Matt 10:28 "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." Yes, fear Him, God, Who IS ABLE, to DESTROY [not preserve alive, but to utterly destroy] BOTH soul [hum? I thought it was IMMORTAL? Guess not!] and body in HELL! Yes, God is ABLE to DO what you have been misTaught namely, He CAN and WILL DESTORY, not preserve alive, BOTH soul and body in HELL! The Greek word used here is Gehenna, the Jews to whom our Lord was speaking knew where this place was, as it was a reference to the Valley of Hinnom just outside of Jerusalem's walls where the dead carcasses of condemn criminals and the trash of the city was thrown and to which fire and brimstone were added to keep the flames burning and whatever the fire did not DESTROY, the maggot ate for food. They well knew that this represented UTTER and EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION, as the one's thrown there were UNFIT for a memorial tomb, symbolic of their not being worthy of a burial tomb because they were thought to be unworthy of a resurrection. Another verse that you quote brings up another subject: "I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION" - Precisely correct! Yes, this very verse that you quote shows us that "...He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires." Yes, our loving God has mercy on those Whom He chooses to have mercy, and He HARDENS those whom he chooses to harden, for his Name sake! However, you're belief in a place of eternal torment, where people who do not KNOW GOD and/or reject His Son go to spend all of eternity when perhaps it was God HIMSELF who harden their hearts so that they WOULD NOT SEE! So you're beliefs blaspheme the very GOD you proclaim to worship by saying that HE HARDENS those whom He chooses just so HE can roast them in HELLFIRE for all eternity through NO FAULT of their own! Such is the SUM of blasphemy! Such fowl doctrine comes from only ONE PLACE, ONE SOURCE, ONE PERSONAGE, namely, Satan the Devil, the 'god of this world', 'who hath blinded the MINDS of them which believe NOT' lest the glorious gospel about Christ should shine unto them. Such is the sum of Calvinism, the damnable heresy of John Calvin the Reformer. Yes, such doctrines does not line up with other Scriptures that state that," 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Yes, our God desires that ALL come to repentence and faith in His dear Son, and that NONE should perish. I think you have not been able to comprehend 'election' and 'free grace', as there is a difference and the Bible does have the answer on how these exist harmoniously together. We worship not a demon-god, but the God of all Creation! Praise be to His Name! The GOOD NEWS MINISTER! |
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2 | Prove all things hold fast to the good.. | 1 Cor 15:1 | Pastor Glenn | 86272 | ||
Goodnewsminister, Luke 12 4"I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. 5But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him. You said: “Yes, fear Him, God, Who IS ABLE, to DESTROY [not preserve alive, but to utterly destroy] BOTH soul [hum? I thought it was IMMORTAL? Guess not!] and body in HELL!" If the soul is not immortal then how will anyone be TRULY resurrected? Will a new copy be made of us? This would be difficult to explain to identical twins that have the exact same DNA. How do you reconcile this with scripture without first recognizing the immortal soul in scripture? Jesus said that when God said that He IS (not “was”) the "God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" He was implying that God is not the God of the dead, but of the living. But by your interpretation they do not presently exist. This would make Christ’s statement meaningless. You said: "Yes, God is ABLE to DO what you have been misTaught namely, He CAN and WILL DESTORY, not preserve alive, BOTH soul and body in HELL! The Greek word used here is Gehenna, the Jews to whom our Lord was speaking knew where this place was, as it was a reference to the Valley of Hinnom just outside of Jerusalem's walls where the dead carcasses of condemn criminals and the trash of the city was thrown and to which fire and brimstone were added to keep the flames burning and whatever the fire did not DESTROY, the maggot ate for food. “ No. The Jews recognized the need to bury the dead. The dead represented a higher level of uncleanness. The land bought for Judas was used for unknown graves: Mat 27:7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Mat 27:8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day. You said: “They well knew that this represented UTTER and EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION, as the one's thrown there were UNFIT for a memorial tomb, symbolic of their not being worthy of a burial tomb because they were thought to be unworthy of a resurrection." Wrong, this did not just "represent" everlasting destruction, it IS everlasting destruction. Destroy is as in everlasting torment: Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: How can the ordinary fire of a trash heap hurt the devil and his angels’ spirits. And by your misinterpretation, what is the point in casting people into the lake of “everlasting” fire: Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Mar 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Mar 9:46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. Mar 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Mar 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. How is it that “death and hell” were both cast into the lake of fire? This is not our “churches” misinterpretation. But rather, these are many scriptures teach the immortal soul and everlasting torment that you fail to explain. Pastor Glenn |
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