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1 | Free will and predestination co-exist? | Rom 8:29 | ebrain | 178521 | ||
Hi Mark. Regarding the last line of your post, where you say, "Is there a Scripture that says we are predestined to salvation?" Love in Christ, Mark Well what about these two Ephesians Ch 1 vs 5 and 11. "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will" "Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will" |
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2 | Free will and predestination co-exist? | Rom 8:29 | mark d seyler | 178554 | ||
Hi ebrain, Let's look: Eph 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love Eph 1:5 He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, Eph 1:6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. This says that we have received "every spiritual blessing" - in Christ. God "chose us" - in Him (Christ). He "predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself" - a key passage. 10 times in this chapter, as Paul lists all the things that we have from God, 10 times he identifies these things as coming to us "in Christ". This is very much in keeping with Paul's opening statement, (Eph 1:3) "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ," with which he prefaces this listing of blessings. Every spiritual blessing we have received, we have received "in Christ". So let me ask you - when do we become "in Christ"? Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | Free will and predestination co-exist? | Rom 8:29 | ebrain | 178596 | ||
So let me ask you - when do we become "in Christ"? Love in Christ, Mark Mark, You have answered your own question in your post from which the above extract is taken. At verse 4, the Lord tells us that, "He chose us in Him from before the foundation of the world". I have no difficulty in taking this to mean that we were put "in Christ" before the world was. Every blessing. Edwin. |
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4 | Free will and predestination co-exist? | Rom 8:29 | mark d seyler | 178599 | ||
Hi Edwin, That was an unexpected answer! I find you to be refreshingly challenging! I had in mind such verses as: Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to flesh, but according to Spirit. While we once were "by nature, children of wrath, even as the rest," (Eph 2:3), now that we are "in Christ", there is now no condemnation. There was a time before we were "in Christ", in which we were under God's righteous condemnation. 2Co 5:17 So that if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new! Once we were dead in trespasses and sins. Now we are alive, having been born again, born of God. If anyone is "in Christ", he is a new creation. If we were "in Christ" before the foundation of the world, then when was it that we were dead in our trespasses and sins? It seems to me that there was a time when we were dead in sins, before we were in Christ, then, when we became "in Christ", this involved re-birth, and we became a new creation. This is my understanding. What is your understanding of these verses? Love in Christ, Mark |
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5 | Free will and predestination co-exist? | Rom 8:29 | ebrain | 178618 | ||
It seems to me that there was a time when we were dead in sins, before we were in Christ, then, when we became "in Christ", this involved re-birth, and we became a new creation. This is my understanding. What is your understanding of these verses? Love in Christ, Mark Hi Mark. Thank you for your kind words, it's great to have fellowship with you once more. but please dear brother don't put the cart before the horse. We were not dead in sins, before we were in Christ, but we were in Christ before we were dead in sins. You and I and all other people are inside the "Space Time Continuum", a creation of the Lord superimposed upon Eternity. Eternity is timelessness, and it is in Eternity that God the Father placed us in His Son before the beginning of time, however, we do not come into existance untill after time was created (but He knew that we would exist). We were dead in sins at the point of our conception onwards, (see Psalm 51:5), and remained so untill we were saved, after which we discover that we have been "in Christ" from before the foundation of the earth Now do you get it. Bless you brother. Edwin. |
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