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1 | Imputed sin | Rom 5:12 | Emmaus | 63389 | ||
Steve, It would be helpful if you defined "spiritual death" for purposes of this discussion. All are likely to agree on what "physical death" means, but not necessarily on "spiritual death. For example does spiritual death mean loss of sanctifying grace and loss of justification? Some might hold to loss of the later, but say that Adam and Eve never had the former. And some, such as myself, would hold to both the concept that they had both and lost both. Others might have some other idea about the definition of spiritual death. Emmaus |
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2 | Imputed sin | Rom 5:12 | beensetfree | 63400 | ||
Steve, Emmaus, John, et al: For the benefit of the discussion, I would define "spiritual death" as eternal separation from God; both the loss of grace and justification. I would support this with Ephesians 2:8 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith..." And it is through this that we become justified by God in His eyes. Rom 5:1 "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ..." Thus the grace and justification go hand in hand and are not able to be separated. Blessings to all, Beensetfree |
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3 | Imputed sin | Rom 5:12 | Pastor Glenn | 63406 | ||
Beensetfree, I would define spiritual death as the death of ones spiritual nature. Why would grace or justification be necessary for Adam and Eve before they sinned? Adam and Eve were made with both a spiritual and physical nature. The spiritual nature was born of the Spirit of God when God breath into his nostrils the breath of life. This is why we must be born again (John 3). For Adam and Eve, They died spiritually (their spiritual nature), but had the same opportunity as any man to be reborn spiritually. Though, we are all appointed to die physically. This is my understanding, Pastor Glenn |
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4 | Imputed sin | Rom 5:12 | Emmaus | 63411 | ||
Pator Glenn, Some would say that in the Fall Adam and Eve were dis-graced. Grace being the source of spiritual life and nature as a gift of God when He created them. After the we become new or re-creations in Christ by grace. Emmaus |
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5 | Imputed sin | Rom 5:12 | Pastor Glenn | 63414 | ||
Oh, sorry Emmaus, Please excuse my barging in on this thread. I thought that biblically God's "grace" was defined as His "undeserved favour" towards us. Am I wrong? If I am misdirecting the question please just ignore me or correct me here. Pastor Glenn |
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6 | Imputed sin | Rom 5:12 | Emmaus | 63438 | ||
Pastor Glenn, You are not barging in on the thread. I think the discussion of exactly what grace is, is central to the question. What was the initial creation of Adam and Eve by God in His image and likeness and in friendship with Him if not grace? If that is not unmerited favor what is? What did Adam and Eve fall from if not a graced relationship with God? Emmaus |
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7 | Imputed sin | Rom 5:12 | Reformer Joe | 63440 | ||
I think, biblically speaking, that "grace" being defined simply as "unmerited favor" is not as strong as it should be. Properly speaking, saving grace is favor from God not merely when we have not merited it, but rather when we have deserved nothing but his wrath. Grace is not simply getting what we have not earned; it is getting the blessed opposite of what we have earned. --Joe! |
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8 | Imputed sin | Rom 5:12 | Pastor Glenn | 63449 | ||
Well said Joe, Pastor Glenn |
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