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1 | Visit other churches? | Rom 16:16 | Reformer Joe | 34451 | ||
My anecdote was not to be a generalization, just an autobiographical sketch. And you must admit in certain circles certain individuals with certain leanings very often dress in a certain way to look a certain part. I have to wonder, Randy, why you had so little to say about what actually WENT ON during that service. Surely you do not find such practices to be truly of the Holy Spirit we see in Scripture. And, assuming that you do not, what is your standard for telling this pastor that he is in the wrong? :) I am happy with the "trend" I fit in. It is a trend which says that the God of the Bible must clearly be revealed as He is. I think it is an oversimplification to place me in one of two categories, for there are a number of ways that I see the whole counsel of God disguised rather than revealed from the pulpit. For example: 1. The category that I have already alluded to (the Bible-waving and getting people excited without actually saying ANYTHING accurate about God). 2. The preaching of the "warm and fuzzy" aspects of God's character and at the same time intentionally hiding those aspects and requirements which rightfully make us uncomfortable (e.g. His holiness and righteous wrath and demand for repentance). 3. Preaching a "gospel" of morality rather than the gospel of the Bible. 4. Preaching a "gospel" of social/political activism rather tham the Gospel of the Bible. 5. Replacing the proclamation of God's Word with adherance to extra-biblical (or even un-biblical) tradition. 6. Replacing the historical gospel of Jesus crucified and resurrected with a "let's all be nice to each other" message. 7. Painting Jesus to be a cosmic therapist to meet our every need (read: our every "want") rather than the Lord of all. So we can see that the misrepresentation of God and His Word crosses all kinds of churches and traditions. It is far too basic to lump Bible abuse into the categories of "orderly" and "free-spirited." I fully agree with you that there is not a tremendous amount of fellowship/dialogue across the "Pentecostal divide." Some are just stereotyping what they have not personally experienced or do not understand. From my own perspective, I can only say that my difficulties with some on the other side of the divide stems from my spiritual gift of discernment and the opposition of many (not ALL) in the other camp to the exercise of that gift (the whole "don't quench the Spirit" thing). You are right that neither has a monopoly on truth. However, it goes deeper than agreeing what the truth is; I perceive the root of the problem being epistemological. That is, how can we know truth? Do we lean heavily on our own subjective experience to assert what God's truth is, or is God's written revelation the ultimate authority in the matter? Neither camp will DENY the importance of God's Word, just as neither group will reject the importance of actually experiencing the Spirit at work in one's life. The tension arises, however, when some incident or experience arises which is attributed to the Spirit by some but argued to be contrary to Scripture by others. In cases like this, do we make the ultimate appeal to the Bible or to our sincere feeling that the situation was a "move of the Spirit"? --Joe! |
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2 | Visit other churches? | Rom 16:16 | EdB | 34519 | ||
Joe Let me jump in with a few thoughts. First let me say I’m from the Pentecostal camp, but I do agree with you, discernment (read don’t quench the spirit) is highly discouraged within the ranks. You can just about get away with anything saying, your under the ‘spirit’ and have people cheering you on. There is one such example where the speaker many times does nothing but laugh, of course laughter is contagious and soon the whole church is laughing, the word is rarely spoken within context, yet people swear this man is mighty man of God. As for your list of disguising God I see all of them the same, ways to manipulate people into giving more and to come back next week. In other words build a building rather than equip the saints to do the work. Unfortunately in our society success is judged by most by size, if your church isn’t large and growing God simply can’t be there, or is withholding His blessings for some reason. However many of these methods are used by both camps. That said I agree with Charis there seems to be two types of church goers, one that is attending due to an allegiance to a religious entity. And the another type that doesn’t carry any such allegiance. Neither type is necessarily wrong but the first type has a tendency to become myopic and intolerant for anything other than their view of religion. The later has a tendency of often following every wind of doctrine. That said I also believe either group can be guilty of the problem you mentioned in your last paragraph. Many times the scriptures are abused to prove a point rather than used to seek an answer. There are intelligent, learned, dedicated, and honest men on both sides of today’s religious issues. To say one has a handle the other is missing is wrong. Instead both should seek and understand what it is, they evidently are not seeing in scripture that the other side is. Then once they have that understanding seek a solution that addresses both sides of the issue. Instead we sit back very confidently and assume the other is just wrong. Be blessed and be a blessing EdB |
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