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1 | Defending themselves or accusing Jesus? | John 8:41 | biblicalman | 229266 | ||
There are no real grounds for suggesting that the Pharisees were referring to Jesus' birth in John 8.41. In Jewish eyes Jesus would not have been seen as born of fornication, for Joseph and Mary were betrothed, and betrothed couples regularly had children without it being frowned on (except by high sticklers). Betrothal was binding and could only be broken by divorce. Marriage simply sealed the betrothal. Furthermore the contrast made by the Pharisees was with God as their Father. Thus as you say they were contrasting themselves with those who had idols as their father and were thus 'born of fornication'. Idolatry was regularly seen as harlotry. |
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2 | Defending themselves or accusing Jesus? | John 8:41 | justme | 229273 | ||
biblicalman: Forgive me if I am a pest. I am really just seeking where your source is for such rich information. Being in the UK you may well have more information about such things that I can't get to. When you say "betrothed couples regulary had children without being frowned on (except by high sticklers)." I never have thought about this before. Our culture here in the US is very tollerant of even Christians living together before marriage. I find such living together before marriage very much like shooting your self in the foot, it seldom lasts when the couple does get married. Thank you for taking the time to responding to me, Blessings. justme |
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3 | Defending themselves or accusing Jesus? | John 8:41 | biblicalman | 229276 | ||
Hi, The Israelites/Jews believed in arranged marriages, although that did not necessarily mean that the parents did not consult their children. But for a man or woman to marry without their parents agreement was unusual (Esau was an exception and thereby grieved his parents). When the couple were agreed on by their parents they became betrothed. This was then seen as binding, and only divorce could set it aside. The aim was that it would last for life. You will notice that Joseph was going to 'put away, divorce' Mary privately, even though they were 'only' betrothed. It had to be a semi-official action. Marriage wowuld then result when they had reached the necessary age. These are facts that can be found in any reliable Bible Dictionary, and good commentaries. NBD says, 'the betrothed woman was sometimes called 'wife' and was under the same obligation of faithfulness (Gen 29.21; Deut 22.23-24; Matt 1.18, 20) and the betrothed man was called 'husband' (Joel 1.8; Matt 1.19). Best wishes. |
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