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NASB | John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 15:1 "I am the true Vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. |
Subject: Isn't Jesus Christ the True Isael to who |
Bible Note: Hi KINDNESS, I don't recognize the concept of your grid for Rom 11:l but I appreciate your Scripture references. Speaking again to what I "see" you saying in your capitalization, I see a little inconsistency as far as the vine is concerned. I see that you write that Israel is not the True Vine for now you also say that Israel was never the true vine. So I can't suggest now that you think too highly of Israel. Perhaps now I can suggest a balance that would put Jew and Gentile in the same position; one in which all people are capable of being grafted into the body of Christ. Each one doing his part and dependent on each other. You mention Christ as being the true vine in your first paragraph and as the true Vine in your last. One of the things that I strive for and want our translators to strive for is consistency. Another thing that I want people to see is the difference between this Man Jesus and ourselves as mere men. Scriptures over and over speak of these differences and the greatness of God. So usually I would be very open to making this pronoun "Vine" in contrast to us. In the case of John 15:1 I didn't think that the relationship between the Vine and the Vinedresser would be a correct one for the Triune God. You have caused be to consider that further. You write, "The name Israel was given first to Jacob in Gen 32:22-28 and means "Prince with God" or ruling w/God." In the NASB Study Bible the margin notes say there for "Israel"; I.e he who strives with God; or God strives." So I wonder about your "Prince with God". Looking at your Gal. 3:16 reference (and I notice you apparently like the NKJ as I also do) let me say in passing that I would add three capitalized pronouns to the NASB and recognize the two Seed words and also capitalize "but as of One". But also agreeing with Galatians 3:20 and James 2:19 and 1Peter l:17. Let me know what you think and also elaborate on the concept of a "grid". Later, Ray |