Subject: GOD TURNED HIS BACK ON JESUS WHEN JESUS |
Bible Note: Aixen7z4 I appreciate your position but it is not more Biblically grounded than mine. I can supply scripture all day where Jesus says He and the Father are One, that there is but One God, that the God head is one made up of Father Son and Holy Spirit. To separate one from the other we would have to understand the Godhead was divided and nothing in scripture suggests that. In fact Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the father. You gave some verses where the writer was using hyperbola by saying You (God) turned Your face from sin. However since God spirit and is omnipresent, all seeing and all knowing He really doesn’t have a face nor back for that matter. So we have to realize these were figure of speech rather than actual reactions of God. If we look at the story of Isaac and Abraham at Mt. Moriah Genesis 22 we see a shadow of the crucifixion. There is a remarkable amount of "types" here. Abraham traveled three day to sacrifice Isaac and we know in Eastern Culture during that time Abraham consider Isaac already dead to him. They went along leaving their servants behind, while Jesus was on the cross the earth was thrown into darkness. Isaac carried the wood for his sacrifice, Jesus carried his cross. Isaac in obedience allowed his father to bind him and prepare him for sacrifice, Isaac was between 12 and 27 and Abraham was around 112 – 127 (Isaac allowed) just as Jesus allowed Himself to be placed upon the cross. Abraham said God would provide a Lamb however in verse 13 we see a ram instead was substituted, it wasn’t until nearly 2000 years later that God provided the Lamb. I say in all of this to say, no where in this beautiful picture of love and obedience do we see Abraham turning away from his son even as he was ready to thrust the knife in to take his very life. If God turned away from Jesus on the cross then in effect by Biblical definition Jesus was Spiritually dead. If God is Spirit and Jesus and God are one then one would have to conclude God was dead. Somehow that doesn’t work for me. So as I said while I see your position and appreciate it, it is certainly not biblically stronger than my position, and in many case it contains serious weaknesses which mine does not. EdB |