Subject: The Problem with WoF in a nutshell |
Bible Note: You posted this: ...Brothers, please be careful not to condemn brothers who are preaching Jesus, and Him crucified. This is what WoF teachers are teaching: Joyce Meyers: I no longer sin "I'm going to tell you something folks, I didn't stop sinning until I finally got it through my thick head I wasn't a sinner anymore. And the religious world thinks that's heresy and they want to hang you for it. But the Bible says that I'm righteous and I can't be righteous and be a sinner at the same time...All I was ever taught to say was, 'I'm a poor, miserable sinner.' I am not poor, I am not miserable and I am not a sinner. That is a lie from the pit of hell. That is what I was and if I still am then Jesus died in vain. Amen" (Doctrinal Ambiguity of a Wandering Star-The Changing views of Joyce Meyer, G. Richard Fisher and Paul R. Belli) There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell" (The Most important Decision You will Ever Make, 1991, Joyce Meyer). "His spirit went to hell because that is where we deserved to go. Remember in the very beginning of this, I said, 'When you die, only your body dies. The rest of you, your soul and spirit, goes either to heaven or hell'" (Ibid.). "During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there...no plan was too extreme...Jesus paid on the cross and in hell" (Ibid., pg. 35). "Jesus went to hell for you" (Ibid., pg. 38). Haggin: Prayer is 'Negative Confession'? "Many times you lose by praying! You lose by turning in your prayer requests. That might startle you, but what you are doing is confessing, I don't have it" (Ibid., pg. 180). Copeland: Jesus died Spiritually? (JDS) "The righteousness of God was made to be sin. He accepted the sin nature of Satan in His own spirit. And at the moment that He did so, He cried, 'My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken Me?' You don't know what happened at the cross. Why do you think Moses, upon instruction of God, raised the serpent upon that pole instead of a lamb? That used to bug me. I said, "Why in the world would you want to put a snake up there-the sign of Satan? Why didn't you put a lamb on the pole?' And the Lord said, 'Because it was a sign of Satan that was hanging on the cross.' He said, 'I accepted, in My own spirit, spiritual death; and the light was turned off.'" (Christianity in Crisis, Hank Hanegraaff, Harvest House, Oregon, pp. 157-158). Jesus had to go through that same spiritual death in order to pay the price. It wasn't the physical death on the cross that paid the price for sin. Because if it had of been any prophet of God that had died for the last couple of thousand of years before that could have paid that price. It wasn't physical death. Anybody could do that." ("What Satan saw on the day of Pentecost" tape #02-0022) "He am healing. He am deliverance. He am financial prosperity, mental prosperity, physical prosperity, family prosperity. It's terrible grammar, but you understand what I'm saying. I'm saying it to effect my mind. He am whatever He hath to be. Because he said he'd meet my needs according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus and I'm walking around saying, 'Yes my needs are met according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus. Glory to God. I'm cousin and kin to the need maker. I'm cousin and kin to the need meeter. I'm cousin and kin to the I AM. Hallelujah. [applause] And I say this with all respect so that it don't upset you too bad. But I say it anyway. When I read in the Bible where he says "I AM" I just smile and say, "I AM too." [applause] ("Believers Voice of Victory" broadcast, TBN 7/9/87). Paul Crouch: I refuse to argue any longer with any of you out there. Don't even call in if you want to argue doctrine. If you want to straighten somebody out over here. If you want to criticize Ken Copeland for his preaching on faith or Dad Hagen. Get out of my life. I don't want to even talk to you or hear you. I don't want to see your ugly face. Get out of my face in Jesus' name" ("Praise-a-thon" TBN, recorded 04/02/91 I want to say to all you scribes, Pharisees, heresy hunters, all of you that are going around picking little bits of doctrinal error out of everybody's eyes and dividing the body of Christ and arguing over splinters and doctrinal hairs and dissipating and wasting all of our time when the world is all going to hell. I say "Get out of God's way! Quit blocking God's bridges! Or God's gonna shoot you if I don't" ("Praise-a-thon" TBN, recorded 04/02/91). Part1 |