Subject: Jesus know all things why marvelled? |
Bible Note: Hi Hank, I sense that we are in disagreement in this discussion. I hope that we can be united in spirit as the Philippians 2 passage that you reference would have us intent on one purpose. The passage in John 21 does indeed deal with escatology even though you do not seem to agree with my application in the post of mine to "Johnny". Also, you write "But this kenosis ended with the Risen Christ who now sits on the right hand of God in heaven." Johnny sees this Risen Christ as being in human form. Indeed, John 21:12 says that the disciples knew that it was the Lord who was talking to them. This was the same Man of whom it was said in verse 17, "You know all things". However, this Man, this Risen Lord was able to walk through doors, yet able to eat breakfast with them. He was able to talk to men that He had fellowshiped with for years and be unrecognized until breaking bread with them on the road. This Man was made manifest, or made Himself visible to the disciples after He was raised from the dead. Verse 14. So Jesus asked Peter do you love Me more than the physical things of the world? Do you love Me more than your friends, more than your livelihood as as fisherman, more than bread on the table? I think that Peter then says to the Spirit, "Yes Lord; (You) know that I love You." In other words, I believe that he is expressing his love for God. In verse 16 Jesus said a second time do you love Me with "agape" love? And Peter continues to express his "brotherly" love for Jesus. In verse 17, Peter is grieved that Jesus asked him in the third and last time, "Do you "phileo" God?" And he continued by saying that Jesus knew all things and that He knew his brotherly love for Him as a Man. Peter would go on and glorify God because he followed Him. I believe that the Spirit will come again and we will see Him as He is. But I would say to Johnny that Jesus existed in the form of God and did not think it robbery to be equal with God. He came in the likeness of men but was a Man. He was found in appearance as a Man, Philippians 2:8 and He appeared to Peter as a Man who says "Follow Me". John 21:19. Contrast and compare John 1:43 also. My interpretation of Philippians may be different from yours and perhaps we should talk about it? I admit to not having studied "kenosis". From the heart, Ray |