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NASB | Revelation 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Revelation 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire. |
Subject: psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 |
Bible Note: EdB, Now we are getting somewhere. There is in fact a judgement. And yes it is good that we use that word, not because I have insisted upon it, but because it is in fact the word that scripture uses. We are not being careless or unclear or nit picking by using scriptures on words. Saying what scripture says AS scripture says it is both a good thing and a safe guard. Now, if that is admited lets push on further, if you still care to. What is judged? Is it simply that they rejected Jesus Christ as you say? Or is it the sins that are going to be judged, which is what I would assert. Let me offer a scripture reference. Colossians 1:5,6 "Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. On account of these the wrath God is coming." Clearly states that it is on the account these sins the wrath of God is soon to come upon the world. Not simply rejecting Christ. Further, look at Revelations 20:12,13 again twice in those verses it says they were judged specifically according to their deeds/what they had done. Not simply by their rejection of Christ. 1 Peter 4 contains another excellent passage on it. 1 Peter 4:3-5 "For the time that is past suffices for doing what the Gentiles want to do, living in sensualtiy, passions, drunkenness, orgies, drinking parties, and lawless idolatry. With respect to this they are surprised when you do not join them in the same flood of debauchery, and they malign you; but they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead" Look at what they are about to give account of when God judges them, namely all the listed sins and their maligning Christians for not doing likewise. We have ample scriptural testimony to the coming judgement of sins that we have commited. Let us look at one more before I address john 3. Romans 2:1-3,5 "Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgement on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgement of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man--you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself--that you will escape the judgement of God? ...But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on teh day of wrath when God's righteous judgement will be revealed." How many things shall I point out in this passage? They will not escape his judgement who "practise such things." "We know that the judgement of God rightly fallson those who PRACTISE SUCH THINGS." (emphasis mine.) Now, let me address John 3:18. John 3:18 "Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." (ESV) Now, you are rightly pointing out two things from this passage. I chose the english standard version because it is drawing out here that the word "judged" is being used somewhat differently. Here when it says that somebody who believes is not judged. What it means is that they will not be condemned. Now there is another sense in which we can use the word judged. For example if I judge was to stand up and declare me innocent of all charges, I was in a sense judged though I was judged to be innoccent. In another sense the word "judged" is sometimes used to refer specifically mean the condemning side of it. That is how it is used here. This passage is not meaning to say that those who believe will not be publicly judged to be righteous before God, because they will. It means they will not be condemned in the judgement because they have believed upon Christ. So they will be judged if by that we mean a public declaration of their innoccence, but they will not be judged in the sense of being condemned. The second part: you rightly point out that with regards to those who do not believe their judgement is spoken of here in a past tense. This is something I conceded much earlier in our discussion. There is without a doubt a sense in which judgement has already been given. By not believing they have already clenched their judgement as certain. Yet though that be the case, this passage is not denying that there will be a day in which that verdict is publicly declared, publicly vindicated with evidence from their sinful actions, and the penalty publically carried out. I hope this serves to benefit the discussion. In Christ, Beja |