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NASB | Revelation 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Revelation 20:15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire. |
Subject: psalms... judgement chapter 1 verse 5 |
Bible Note: EdB, While I was taking my daughter to dance class tonight I had some thought on how we might get very specific and have therefore some hope for our conversation. Let me step by step go through a few points in the passage that sparked our original discussion, Revelations 20. Let me quote again verses 12 and 13. "And I saw the dead, grea and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done." Now let you and I, just for a few posts, agree to restrict ourselves to discussing this passage. This is the only way we are going to get anywhere is if we actually focus on the passages. Now, I will lay out some points and you let me know specifically at what point in my reasoning that you and I part ways. Let me begin with my Thesis, then my points. Thesis: There is a future judgement. 1.) I take this scene to be something happening in the future. Whatever that "something" may be which is being described in Rev 20:11-15, its at a future date to our current moment in history. 2.) Whatever that "something" is, scripture describes it in these particular two verses as saying "they were judged." It uses these specific words more than once. This is not some word that I have randomly chosen to describe but but whatever is taking place, SCRIPTURE has chosen to descibe this future even with these words. 3.) Now, assuming we are in agreement that there is "some future event" and in these two verses scripture refers to it as "they were judged" I have a question. How do you say that I am in error when I say there will be a future time when people will be judged? How can you at the same time say that scripture is correct when it says it, yet I am wrong when I say it? I can think of only two ways you could possibly argue this. a.) You assume that what I mean, and what scripture means when we say this are two very different thigns. So that when scripture says there will be an event in the future when individuals will be judged, it means one thing and is correct, yet when I say that in the future there is an event in which individuals will be judged I mean something very different from what scripture is saying and therefore I am wrong. b.) You consider both I and scripture both to be wrong in asserting this. Assuming you didn't disagree with points 1 and 2, I ask you on which of these grounds do you disagree with my Thesis? Please, I ask you again, let us restrain ourselves for the moment to this one passage. Show me where I am missunderstanding THIS particular scripture. In Christ, Beja |