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NASB | Hebrews 6:4 For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Hebrews 6:4 For [it is impossible to restore to repentance] those who have once been enlightened [spiritually] and who have tasted and consciously experienced the heavenly gift and have shared in the Holy Spirit, |
Subject: Hebrews 6:4 |
Bible Note: Hebrews 6:4 and following. ibelieve, you write: "This passage is to a person who has reached a maturity in his CHRISTIAN walk that only a few people have reached. This person has tasted all that GOD has for us on this earth and is walking not as himself but as CHRIST. For a person to reach this point in this life and to turn back to the world would truly be putting Jesus on the cross again." First, it is not possible to put Jesus back on the cross. When He died, he died ONCE. Once! "It is finished." ibelieve: I respectfully disagree with you. The person in this passage is the exact opposite of one who has "reached a maturity in his CHRISTIAN walk that only a few people have reached." Actually, the person in this passage never was a believer; he is one who has stopped short of saving faith in Jesus Christ. Please consider the following: The warning in Heb 6:6-8 "is issued to those who have been instructed and even moved by the Holy Spirit but have never committed themselves to Christ. [In this passage] the experiences outlined may precede and even accompany salvation, but they do not always result in salvation. Scripture abundantly affirms the Christian's eternal security; therefore this passage must not be interpreted as teaching that believers in Christ can lose their salvation. See Jn3:15-16, 36; 10:27-30; Rom 8:35,37-39; Eph 1:12-14; 4:30; Phil 1:6; Heb 10:12-14; 1 Pet 1:3-5" (note at Heb 6:4, New Scofield Reference Bible, Oxford, 1967). ***** 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, "impossible "Hebrews 6:4-8 presents the case of Jewish professed believers who halt short of faith in Christ after advancing to the very threshold of salvation, even "going along with" the Holy Spirit in His work of enlightenment and conviction (John 16:8-10). It is not said that they had faith. This supposed person is like the spies at Kadesh-barnea (Deuteronomy 1:19-26) who saw the land and had the very fruit of it in their hands, and yet turned back. "partakers (Greek - iJlavskomai ," going along with)." Bibliography Information Scofield, C.I. "Scofield Reference Notes on Hebrews 6". "Scofield Reference Notes (1917 Edition)". http://bible.crosswalk.com/Commentaries/ScofieldReferenceNotes/ 1917. ***** " . . . logically [Heb 6:4] implies that if salvation were to be lost, it would be impossible for that person to be born again, lose it, and then be born again again. This much is clear: whoever openly and consciously rejects Jesus Christ is unregenerate even if he seemed to have been saved ealier." Whether he had lost his salvation or never had it to begin with, "either way, the result is identical." (note at Heb. 6:4ff, NRSV Harper Study Bible, Zondervan, 1991) ***** No offense intended, but please spare me the observation that Dr. Scofield was a poor scholar who didn't know what he was talking about. I've already heard that on the forum approx. 40 or 50 times. It didn't work the first time I heard it and it won't work now. I am not at all implying that you would do such a thing. I merely point out that many on the forum have read an answer, which may include a quote by Dr. Scofield, MacArthur, Ryrie, etc. Then when they realize they have no answer to the points made, they try to change the subject by casting doubt upon the scholarship or character of the author that was quoted. Not to you, but to those who have employed this deceptive practice, I would say: It's a nice try and a cheap trick. But it will NOT WORK with everyone. (Disclaimer: No man, forum member, author, scholar, preacher, etc. is infallible. Only the Bible is infallible and only in the original manuscripts.) Again, I bear you no ill-will or personal criticism. I am merely expressing an alternative viewpoint. Radioman |