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NASB | 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain [on the earth] will simultaneously be caught up (raptured) together with them [the resurrected ones] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord! [John 14:3; 1 Cor 15:52; 2 Cor 5:8; Phil 1:23; Col 3:4] |
Subject: Order of events at the 2nd Coming? |
Bible Note: Tinm Now see I'm getting sucked in here, and I promised myself I wouldn't. What you stated is the perfect Mid Trib position. With the exception of the Battle of Armageddon, which occurs before the Millenial reign not after Rev 19. However as a pre-trib I would say your wrong, that the church has to be removed before the Anitchrist will reign. As a post Trib I would say your wrong that the church will go through the Trib and meet with Jesus for the Battle of Armageddon. There we have all three now what? Since the Bible and Revelation isn't clear on the exact timing we can discuss/debate these forever. If you want to discuss something unanswerable, I'll give you Four. 1. Who is going through the millenium? 2. Where are the living people kept while the heavens and earth are being consumed with fire and new and new earth are being formed? 3. In Revelation 21:27 it says that no one that lies will enter the New Jerusalem, does that imply there are liars alive on earth at this time? 4. Rev 22:4 says the leave of the tree of life will be for the healing of the nations, does that mean there will be people that need healing? |