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NASB | Ephesians 5:33 Nevertheless, each individual among you also is to love his own wife even as himself, and the wife must see to it that she respects her husband. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 5:33 However, each man among you [without exception] is to love his wife as his very own self [with behavior worthy of respect and esteem, always seeking the best for her with an attitude of lovingkindness], and the wife [must see to it] that she respects and delights in her husband [that she notices him and prefers him and treats him with loving concern, treasuring him, honoring him, and holding him dear]. [1 Pet 3:2] |
Subject: Submit . . . unless it hurts? |
Bible Note: retxar, I'm afraid I wasn't as clear as I thought I was, or that perhaps you misread me. In reality, I never stated a position. Rather, I asked a set of questions in the context of citations of "models" of submission to the Lord that leave one marvelling. I had no "position" to justify with the scripture I gave. I certainly didn't "insist that a wife submitting to a physically abusive husband in a life threatening relationship is God's intent and meaning." What I actually did was ask the question. And I asked whether wives are called to a lower standard of submission to their husbands than the standard of submission to the Lord that men are called to, with a request for correction if I'd misunderstood submission. But I didn't ask it that succinctly. I also didn't assert, (as you said that scripture doesn't suggest or imply,) that abuse is the “tough pill women are required to swallow.” If you re-read, you'll see that I said that submission to anyone, even God, is a tough pill for *anyone* (not just women) to swallow, due to what we call "sin nature." And no insult toward anyone was intended. You may be right that enduring abuse, pain, injury, and death, is not “as unto the Lord”, but rather, is as unto the devil. But I wouldn't want to say that to John the Baptist, Job, Jesus, the martyrs, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, ad infinitum (or so.) I am looking for scriptural principles that can be applied to real life, even if I don't like the immediate ramifications. I'm looking for truth that supercedes temporal convenience, comfort, and even safety. I believe there's more to Life than just this life, so I need to be or *become* willing to spend this life wisely, in light of scripture. The questions at hand are these: 1) If it wasn't submission to the Lord when Job said, "Though He slay me, yet will I serve Him," (or when others surrendered even their very lives to Him,) then what is submission "unto the Lord?" 2) Do wives have a lesser calling to submission to the Lord than men (or husbands, specifically) so that they are called on to submit to their husbands less than these scriptural (and martyr-type) models of submission submitted to the Lord? (Assuming that these are God-ordained models of submission. If they aren't , please explain why, scripturally. I'd like to get your perspective.) 3) If women are called to a lesser submission "to the Lord" than men are called to, then why? 4) Are women (wives, specifically) called to submit to the Lord according to these "models," the same as men are called to submit to the Lord? 5) If women are called to submit to their husbands, "as unto the Lord," according to these scriptural "models" of submission to the Lord, then how does that exclude the painful, injurious, or deadly stuff? And the last plea I made was, "Please help me see where scripture relieves a wife of the resposibility under God to submit to her husband because it pains, injures, or even kills her." As for rightly dividing the Word of Truth, that's what I was asking for help with. Can you help? Thanks in advance, -srchng |