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NASB | Ephesians 5:29 for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 5:29 For no one ever hated his own body, but [instead] he nourishes and protects and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, |
Subject: how can suicide be the same |
Bible Note: Hi Jeff, Perhaps I put greater meaning than you intended into your opening statement in your intitial post in this thread. You wrote: "My views are my "personal" understanding of this issue as both a christian and a liscensed professional practicing in the "realm" of mental health. Eph. 5:29 can not possibly be anything other than a generalization (foucsing on the norm) used to make the point of the passage which is that a man is called to love his wife in the way a "normal" or "typical" man would love himself in that he tends to all of his personal needs be they emotinal or physical." Did you not say that this verse could not be anything other than a generalization, and that you made this claim both as a christian, and as a mental health professional? Is this claim based entirely upon the Bible, or is it based on the Bible -and- your experience as a mental health professional? This is where I am getting the understanding that you are including your experiences in your interpretation of the Bible. If I an wrong to interpret your comments this way I apologize. Blasphemy is to vilify or to insult God, and I do not accuse you of blasphemy. I disagree with you regarding the interpretation of certain passages. To my understanding, clear and immediate context modifies what God said of destroying all life with the flood. But I don't see anything that allows us to modify Eph 5:29. This is where we disagree, but that is all. I disagree with you that the passage cited in Job represents "context" of Ephesians. The other passage you cite, while making statements which may be considered of a somewhat similar nature, do not refer to the same things. Job 9:21 says "Though I were perfect, yet would I not know my soul: I would despise my life." Eph 5:29 "No man hates his own body" Job says life, Paul says body. These are funtionally and specifically different from each other. Jude 1:8 says "Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities." You can love your body while still defiling it. Be that as it may. I will accept your statement that "no experience can show or teach you something different than what the bible says because, what the bible has to say is absolute truth and is not contradicted by man's words, thoughts, or experiences." I agree with that completely, and I am happy to hear you say that. It is also my hope and pray that all reading this thread, and participating, will have reaped a benefit. Love in Christ, Mark |