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NASB | Ephesians 5:29 for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 5:29 For no one ever hated his own body, but [instead] he nourishes and protects and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, |
Subject: how can suicide be the same |
Bible Note: Hi Mark, I appreciate your described way of thinking but caution that this approach can sometimes be faulty. "Acting" based on ones "state of mind" can have disastrous consequences and even be dangerous (as I have attempted to demonstrate in previous posts here). And thanks for explaining how you see the bible with a "black and white kind of mind set". I don't criticize this statement because I think I know where you are coming from. That is, trying to demonstrate that you believe in the inerrancy of scripture. This I applaud and assure you that we hold this in common. But God expects us to do more than read His word. We are to read it and understand it in the context of all that has been given therin. Black and white thinking isn't sufficient in the study and discernment of God's word to us. A deeper, thoughtful approach is necessary. (please see 2 Tim. 2:15) I accept your appology in not meaning to bring offense by your pointed question, but then you offend me in the next paragraph. Again, I feel you twist my statments and meaning in order to, well, accuse me of blasphemy. You write: "you had already made clear that you did not accept that verse as having the plain, face meaning of the scripture" I shall expect an apology for this statment. Sir, I ask you to assign "plain, face meaning of scripture" by heading 2 Tim. 2:15 and reevaluate the verse in context of the passage and the rest of scripture. And as to why you asked the question in the first place, I believe that I did and do understand that. If you carefully read Doc's post to your original question and them carefully read mine, I think you might discover that I was actually giving opinion and belief that supported your original thoughts on this while throwing caution to some of what Doc had written, that is; that "suicide is ultimately rooted in self-love" which contradicted your premise articulated in your question. Finally, in having the bible allow for the verse in question being a generalization, I believe that the vers in Job very directly opposes the black and white thinking that absolutely no human being can or will "hate his body" or himself. In fact, you articulated in your original post that you yourself do not even believe this. One final attempt to make my point here. Let me try to give a short example from scripture of how a seemingly definative statement might actually represent a generalization. 1 Cor 7:29 What I mean, brothers, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they had none NIV Mark, I am a married man. Shall I get up from my computer tonight, go to bed, rise in the morning, and live the rest of my life as a single man? Would that be taking the scriptures at "plain, face value"? Sincerely, Jeff |