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NASB | Ephesians 1:11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Ephesians 1:11 In Him also we have received an inheritance [a destiny--we were claimed by God as His own], having been predestined (chosen, appointed beforehand) according to the purpose of Him who works everything in agreement with the counsel and design of His will, |
Subject: What if willfully return to a sinning li |
Bible Note: Hi Ed, You have said much to respond to. There is an extreme responsibility to those who would teach others, and I feel that responsibilty very much. A fundamental aspect of this whole discussion is the true state of those we designate as being born again. If you are right, there are more born again on earth, but less of them make it to heaven. If I am right, there are less born again on earth, but all make it. I do not say to the person who has rejected Christ "Its okay, you're actually still saved". I do not say to the person who is ok with their sin "Don't worry, you are eternally secure." I say to them both - examine yourself to see if you are really in the faith! People may look saved. I can be fooled. If they do not pass the Biblical test, then I don't believe they are saved. I imagine you might say that they are saved, but have turned their back on their salvation and left it. One thing about Adam, though. He was innocent, but he did not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and the incorruptilbe seed, the Word of God, giving him rebirth to a new nature. Being reborn, we do not merely return to the state Adam was in, we become more. I have to consider this is light of several other verses that say we will not walk away, or reject Him. (please see my last post to Tim) I can see how this passage could be written of those living during the millenial kingdom (as in my earlier post). That is how this makes the most sense to me. I see no call to argue or debate this with you, I think we will both agree with this: If a person is living in unrepented sin, is rejecting the message of God's Holy Word, is not living a life ruled by Jesus, they are in danger of eternal hellfire, no matter what prayers, works, claims of faith, they may have done in the past! Love in Christ, Mark |